Red Hulk vs Thanos

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I've never seen Thanos do anything of the sort. Nonetheless: How precise is it? Can they jump through time? To other dimensions?

you don't have to see him do it- it's a racial trait. any handbook entry on eternals can confirm it.

I freely admit I don't know the limits of the ability though- as I don't recall any other eternals manipulating time or dimensions I'd say it falls pretty far short of that. More likely than not it's just distance.

could thanos teleport the red hulk somewhere he couldn't survive unaided? possibly, but it's not a certainly. I only brought it up to make you aware that it's not 100% certain that Thanos can't teleport without the chair, because that's not the case.

good to see ya post again

Originally posted by guy222
good to see ya post again

I'm guessing this refers to me? lol...thanks, it's nice to be missed.

I have some free time today, so I thought i'd pop in- I'm not going to be around anywhere near as much as I used to though. 🙁

u always give good answers

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The guy who can control time is probably going to get the first strike.

Thanos can't teleport under his own power and has appeared far too many times without his chair for it to be standard equipment. It's not like he's Metron or Ironman, Thanos spends much of his time without the chair and I don't recall it appearing at all recently.

If we are debating using current Thanos we dont have any feats to place him. Thanos can teleport under his own power and he has ech on his person making that possible. Again for me to assume the watcher wins he must strike first and hope for a bfr and that it hits Thanos and that Thanos allows him to strike first. Thanos wins this easily imo. He can teleport and he has much greater durability.

Ok the god Kronos who has always opposed Thanos. Does he have any power over time?

After reading the scans and seeing Rulk completely beotch Thor...I can't believe Im saying this but

Rulk beats Thanos

Originally posted by quanchi112
No limit is the same as limitless.

You have to learn to think more with your own mind. No limits, Thanos doesn't stand a chance, zero chances. You do realize that even Protege had limits.

You literally take that Thor with power gem had no limits, because it said so.
He had no limits and then gets beaten by Thanos. I mean quanchi, be serious.

Thor had limits. He was so limited that he was beaten by Thanos. That is a big limit.

Red Hulk beats him without much trouble.

I was wondering why bfr was included in this battle? I mean can Thanos win without cheap parlor tricks, I mean a simple head on collision with Red Hulk?

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I mean can Thanos win without cheap parlor tricks, I mean a simple head on collision with Red Hulk?

No.

Originally posted by Xplosive
You have to learn to think more with your own mind. No limits, Thanos doesn't stand a chance, zero chances. You do realize that even Protege had limits.

You literally take that Thor with power gem had no limits, because it said so.
He had no limits and then gets beaten by Thanos. I mean quanchi, be serious.

Thor had limits. He was so limited that he was beaten by Thanos. That is a big limit.

Red Hulk beats him without much trouble.

re: thor with gem and the definition of limitless-

The power gem IS infinite in the amount of power it has, but it's been shown several times that the "limitless" power it has is completely dependent on the ability of the wielder.

the same actually goes for the complete IG, If I recall correctly

Thor didn't have the gem for that long- certainly not long enough to master it completely, so saying his power level was truly limitless or infinite probably isn't correct.

Champion had the gem in his fight with Thanos also- but was so ignorant he was punked pretty quickly and without much effort. Drax had it NUMEROUS times and didn't seem to be much of a threat either. Limitless power? maybe. Limited skill WITH that power? almost certainly.

Red Hulk seems to be a beast. Bar none. But nothing we've seen so far seems to be more than Thanos can deal with. He's super strong, and hella durable, but then again so were champ and drax.

If thanos can take out an amped up Thor with the gem completely without prep, Then go toe to toe with Odin immediately after and not get himself killed, I'd give him good odds versus the red hulk. In a straight up fistfight it might be close, but I can't see Thanos fighting that way and ignoring his other options.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
re: thor with gem and the definition of limitless-

The power gem IS infinite in the amount of power it has, but it's been shown several times that the "limitless" power it has is completely dependent on the ability of the wielder.

the same actually goes for the complete IG, If I recall correctly

Thor didn't have the gem for that long- certainly not long enough to master it completely, so saying his power level was truly limitless or infinite probably isn't correct.

Champion had the gem in his fight with Thanos also- but was so ignorant he was punked pretty quickly and without much effort. Drax had it NUMEROUS times and didn't seem to be much of a threat either. Limitless power? maybe. Limited skill WITH that power? almost certainly.

Red Hulk seems to be a beast. Bar none. But nothing we've seen so far seems to be more than Thanos can deal with. He's super strong, and hella durable, but then again so were champ and drax.

If thanos can take out an amped up Thor with the gem completely without prep, Then go toe to toe with Odin immediately after and not get himself killed, I'd give him good odds versus the red hulk. In a straight up fistfight it might be close, but I can't see Thanos fighting that way and ignoring his other options.

No doubt bro, I would have been surprised if Thor tapped 1% of the power in the Power Gem, Thor was in a state of mind that was so lost, he could not have been using the gem on more than a subconcious level. Now if we gave Thanos the Power Gem, and pitted him up against Galactus I'm willing to bet that Galactus would fall, and fairly quick at that. The Power Gem was stated to make its wielder "Invincible" the very definition of this word means, "incapable of being overcome or subdued"

Thor was overcome by a block of force, and subdued.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
No doubt bro, I would have been surprised if Thor tapped 1% of the power in the Power Gem, Thor was in a state of mind that was so lost, he could not have been using the gem on more than a subconcious level. Now if we gave Thanos the Power Gem, and pitted him up against Galactus I'm willing to bet that Galactus would fall, and fairly quick at that. The Power Gem was stated to make its wielder "Invincible" the ver definition of this word means, "incapable of being overcome or subdued"

Thor was overcome by a block of force, and subdued.

a block of force that Odin quickly broke out of/shrugged off too, if I'm not mistaken, and nobody in their right mind would suggest that Odin > Power gem.

Loeb writes it Rulk wins

And the way, he's goin...Galactus or a Celestial maybe needed

Originally posted by Space M ummy
re: thor with gem and the definition of limitless-

The power gem IS infinite in the amount of power it has, but it's been shown several times that the "limitless" power it has is completely dependent on the ability of the wielder.

the same actually goes for the complete IG, If I recall correctly

Thor didn't have the gem for that long- certainly not long enough to master it completely, so saying his power level was truly limitless or infinite probably isn't correct.

Champion had the gem in his fight with Thanos also- but was so ignorant he was punked pretty quickly and without much effort. Drax had it NUMEROUS times and didn't seem to be much of a threat either. Limitless power? maybe. Limited skill WITH that power? almost certainly.

Red Hulk seems to be a beast. Bar none. But nothing we've seen so far seems to be more than Thanos can deal with. He's super strong, and hella durable, but then again so were champ and drax.

If thanos can take out an amped up Thor with the gem completely without prep, Then go toe to toe with Odin immediately after and not get himself killed, I'd give him good odds versus the red hulk. In a straight up fistfight it might be close, but I can't see Thanos fighting that way and ignoring his other options.

Only TOAA is limitless. Nor power gem nor IG is limitless. Power gem can draw infinite amount of power, but that raw power isn't limitless. There is a difference. In some way Hyperstorm could draw infinite amount of power, he wouldn't exhaust, but that raw power wasn't limitless in power level, therefore Galacuts overpowering him.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Limitless power? maybe. Limited skill WITH that power? almost certainly.

No, just no. Is it really so hard to understand.
Did Thanos with THOTI (literally only truly limitless power within Omniverse) had trouble with anyone he faced? No.
But remember that Thanos wasn't skilled with it (forget everything else he ever had, because THOTI is infinitely beyond IG or anything he had, even infinitely beyond Protege), didn't master it, but he had limitless power. When you have limitless power, you don't need skills, you only think and LT is quickly gone.
That is limitless power and not some Thor with the power gem.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Then go toe to toe with Odin immediately after and not get himself killed

And Red Hulk went to fight RKT and not that he survived, but crushed him.

Quanchi should stop taking that Thanos beating Thor with PG who was said to be limitless too literally. We saw what means to be limitless and it was Thanos with THOTI.

Originally posted by guy222
Loeb writes it Rulk wins

And the way, he's goin...Galactus or a Celestial maybe needed

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
Is this a joke ? Drax killed Thanos. Rulk koed a Watcher, beat the Green Hulk and Rune King Thor.

Rulk would own Thanos any single time (10/10).

Originally posted by Xplosive
Only TOAA is limitless. Nor power gem nor IG is limitless.

I'd respectfully disagree here. Marvel consistently defines and redefines what is and isn't the "ultimate power" within the marvel multiverse.

At one point it was the cosmic cubes, then the beyonder, then the infinity gauntlet, etc and so on. the TOAA is strictly hypothetical and has never actually made an appearance. It's still debated whether or not the story the HOTI appeared in was even canon, and at one point even a celestial was shown to be stronger than the living tribunal, (currently the top of the cosmic heirarchy) which shouldn't even be POSSIBLE. (but unfortunately is canon, due to an editorial technicality.)

Power gem can draw infinite amount of power, but that raw power isn't limitless. There is a difference. In some way Hyperstorm could draw infinite amount of power, he wouldn't exhaust, but that raw power wasn't limitless in power level, therefore Galacuts overpowering him.

actually, the raw power of the gem IS limitless, as the gem is/was the "backbone" of the infinity gauntlet- it's power magnified that of the other gems and gave the user supreme control of time/space/reality/mind/and soul.

It's nowhere near the same thing as hyperstorm being overpowered by galactus.

No, just no. Is it really so hard to understand.
Did Thanos with THOTI (literally only truly limitless power within Omniverse) had trouble with anyone he faced? No.
But remember that Thanos wasn't skilled with it (forget everything else he ever had, because THOTI is infinitely beyond IG or anything he had, even infinitely beyond Protege), didn't master it, but he had limitless power. When you have limitless power, you don't need skills, you only think and LT is gone.
That is limitless power and not some Thor with the power gem.

I don't see how this is relevant. Thanos is one of the few marvel characters who actually does have relevant experience with massive and infinite power sources and knows how to use them. Why would he have trouble with the HOTI? this is a guy who had mastered the IG, and used cosmic cubes.

here's a question: do you think the HOTI would have been as effective in the hands of someone like the absorbing man, or brother voodoo, that had no idea what to do with it?

And Red Hulk went to fight RKT and not that he survived, but crushed him.

Quanchi should stop taking that Thanos beating Thor with PG who was said to be limitless too literally. We saw what means to be limitless and it was Thanos with THOTI. [/B]

I take issue with this version of Thor being on par with Odin. Check the odin respect thread. the guy fought across every reality there was at hyperspeeds, moved entire dimensions via force of will, turned worlds into dust, and wrecked galaxies with just the aftershock of his fights and RKT was even more powerful than that. A thor with that kind of power level could have, would have, and SHOULD have simply BFR'ed red hulk into the sun, but instead he...tries to punch him? and gets knocked out? what?

it doesn't really make sense to say that this version of thor is thor at his most powerful, and it should be obvious to everyone on the board that this is the case.

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it doesn't really make sense to say that this version of thor is thor at his most powerful, and it should be obvious to everyone on the board that this is the case. [/B]

Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Dont worry, it is very obvious...We have all had fun taking shots at Rhulk and Leob the last bit but lets be honest here. That fight was simply another writer using a perennial powerhouse(thor) to make his newest creation(Rhulk) look great...A lot of guys on here seem to have common sense. Im sure they see this whole Leob/Rhulk thing for what it is..
Point= this thor from what I have seen is in no shape,form or way the most powerful version of Thor..There is absolutly no evidence to support otherwise..
Point= this Thor dosnt ammount to a hair on Odins ass..there, thats as simple as I can say it.

The Red Hulk has shown considerable might though, I mean how strong does a guy need to be, in order to create a seismic event on the level that this Red Hulk did? Soljer once said that it was not stated that it was a 10 on the Richter scale, but what other scale were they talking about?

If he is able to generate force of this magnitude, and lost to Thor who would have been jobbing more? I think Loeb told it like it should have been told. I however understand some peoples unease at seeing Thor handled like a light weight, but this would not be the first time that someone has dominated him.... Perrikus beat him worse if you asked me.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The Red Hulk has shown considerable might though, I mean how strong does a guy need to be, in order to creat a seismic event on the level that this Red Hulk did? Soljer once said that it was not stated that it was a 10 on the Richter scale, but what other scale were they talking about?

If he is able to generate force of this magnitude, and lost to Thor who would have been jobbing more? I think Loeb told it like it should have been told. I however understand some peoples unease at seeing Thor handled like a light weight, but this would not be the first time that someone has dominated him.... Perrikus beat him worse if you asked me.

Maybe if it was Regular Thor and not Odinforce Thor, and if Red Hulk wasn't able to use Mjolnir you might have a point.