Greek gods vs Norse gods

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Now you're just wasting my time. If you're going to be like that then forget it. Its like debating with a racist.

Haha...so you don't know how this democracy worked? Or is that because it wasn't a democracy?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Also considering that you are a Christian and you consider the oppression of womens rights acceptable because they didn't think like modern people is pretty disgraceful as well.

Actually...I didn't say I did...I just repeated the guidelines of the University of Edinburgh School of History and Archeology on Essays concerning the Ancient World...its pretty clear, don't use anachronisms, its sort of like accusing them all of being pedophiles- it just doesn't make sense.

So my being a "Christian" means I therefore consider the oppression of woman acceptable?

This conversation is funny.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Haha...so you don't know how this democracy worked? Or is that because it wasn't a democracy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#History

During the Middle Ages, there were various systems involving elections or assemblies, although often only involving a minority of the population, such as the election of Gopala in Bengal, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Althing in Iceland,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Althing#Foundation

The Althing is one of the oldest parliamentary institutions in the world, this including the Faroese Løgting and Manx Tynwald.[1][2][3] Its establishment, as an outdoor assembly held on the plains of Þingvellir from about the year 930 AD, laid the foundation for an independent national existence in Iceland. To begin with, the Althing was a general assembly of the Icelandic Commonwealth, where the country’s most powerful Leaders (goðar) met to decide on legislation and dispense justice. Then, all free men could attend the assemblies, which were usually the main social event of the year and drew large crowds of farmers and their families, parties involved in legal disputes, traders, craftsmen, storytellers and travellers. Those attending the assembly dwelt in temporary camps (búðir) during the session. The center of the gathering was the Lögberg, or Law Rock, a rocky outcrop on which the Lawspeaker (lögsögumaður) took his seat as the presiding official of the assembly. His responsibilities included reciting aloud the laws in effect at the time. It was his duty to proclaim the procedural law of Althing to those attending the assembly each year.

Hell you could have got this shit yourself. The only reason why I didn't respond to your post isn't because they didn't have a democracy but I can tell you are a being argumentative ****, and usually discussions like this don't go anywhere they usually involve one person nitpicking and finding as much fault as they can without being objective.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav

Actually...I didn't say I did...I just repeated the guidelines of the University of Edinburgh School of History and Archeology on Essays concerning the Ancient World...its pretty clear, don't use anachronisms, its sort of like accusing them all of being pedophiles- it just doesn't make sense.

You're argument is bullshit. If thats the argument you're using I could argue that it was ok in the past that Black people had less rights than white people in America. I guess it was ok back then because America wasn't modern enough, that is obvoulsy bullshit.

Hell I could argue some of the things that China does is ok because they are not 'modern'. Time is not a justification of oppression, if that were the case people wouldn't even bother to give people rights and challenge society.

You think the women that fought for the vote thought that oppression of their rights was ok becasue they weren't in a modern society? They just decided to sit on their fat asses because it was ok because they were not living in the 21st century? 🤨

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav

So my being a "Christian" means I therefore consider the oppression of woman acceptable?

No the fact you are using time as a justification for oppression of rights.

Originally posted by Robtard
This conversation is funny.

Why?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]No the fact you are using time as a justification for oppression of rights.

[B]

What you described wasn't a democracy...

Is it possible that when you are actually a bigot who when faced with alternative ideas feel the need to launch a person attack against a person's religion and call them sexist and imply they are also racist?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
What you described wasn't a democracy...

Yes it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy

But as each independent farmer in the country could choose what goði represented him the system could be claimed as an early form of democracy.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

1 a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Even if it wasn't an example of democracy the Athenian democracy wasn't perfect either. Hell there is an example in Sweden where they had a monarchy but a lawspeaker was able to overule the King and make him submit to the will of the people. Hell they may not call that democracy but since the people had a say in the law and could overrule the king thats good enough and that certainly is not far inferior to the Greek society.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav

Is it possible that when you are actually a bigot who when faced with alternative ideas feel the need to launch a person attack against a person's religion and call them sexist and imply they are also racist?

1. Im a bigot because I think that a criteria for saying that a society is superior is by how they treat their women? Am I the one who thinks that Norse society is far superior to Greek society...nope, but you're the one who think thats the Greeks are far superior and you're telling me im a bigot? 🤨 However I think because The Norse people seemed to have a better view of women (but probably didn't have much more rights than Greek women) and didn't molest little boys I think in that aspect we could say their society was superior but obvoulsy there are lots of other positive aspects of ancient Greek society.

2. I don't think you're racist I just think you were taught at school The Greeks were superior and you have that idea firmly stuck in your head. I don't think you're sexist do I have to explain myself again because what I said went completely over you're head. I said I think its wrong to judge right and wrong on time.....I noticed how you didn't adress the points.

If thats the argument you're using I could argue that it was ok in the past that Black people had less rights than white people in America. I guess it was ok back then because America wasn't modern enough, that is obvoulsy bullshit.

Obvoulsy you ignored it and just decided to call me a bigot instead of addressing the point. The fact is time is not an excuse for the justification of opression and just saying im a bigot doesn't prove that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy

But as each independent farmer in the country could choose what goði represented him the system could be claimed as an early form of democracy.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy

1 a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Even if it wasn't an example of democracy the Athenian democracy wasn't perfect either. Hell there is an example in Sweden where they had a monarchy but a lawspeaker was able to overule the King and make him submit to the will of the people. Hell they may not call that democracy but since the people had a say in the law and could overrule the king thats good enough and that certainly is not far inferior to the Greek society.

No, it is not.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Im a bigot because I think that a criteria for saying that a society is superior is by how they treat their women? Am I the one who thinks that Norse society is far superior to Greek society...nope, but you're the one who think thats the Greeks are far superior and you're telling me im a bigot? 🤨 However I think because The Norse people seemed to have a better view of women (but probably didn't have much more rights than Greek women) and didn't molest little boys I think in that aspect we could say their society was superior but obvoulsy there are lots of other positive aspects of ancient Greek society.

2. I don't think you're racist I just think you were taught at school The Greeks were superior and you have that idea firmly stuck in your head. I don't think you're sexist do I have to explain myself again because what I said went completely over you're head. I said I think its wrong to judge right and wrong on time.....I noticed how you didn't adress the points.

If thats the argument you're using I could argue that it was ok in the past that Black people had less rights than white people in America. I guess it was ok back then because America wasn't modern enough, that is obvoulsy bullshit.

Obvoulsy you ignored it and just decided to call me a bigot instead of addressing the point. The fact is time is not an excuse for the justification of opression and just saying im a bigot doesn't prove that.

Again, I think the situation here is that your a bully who instead of having a peaceful discussion instead has to resort of flaming...

Your points are pretty opaque to be honest- but responding to them would give your bigoted ways some sort of justification.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
No, it is not.

Saying its not does not make it so. It fits the definiton of a democracy and the person who wrote the wiki article has done alot of research and considers it to be a form of democracy.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav

Again, I think the situation here is that your a bully who instead of having a peaceful discussion instead has to resort of flaming...

Ok can we start again then? Ok im sorry for being agressive but I don't really see why I can't take offence to this statement.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
This is a difficult one...to be honest I find the Greek Gods were Gods of a far superior society...thus I must assume worshiping them is a good idea...plus they are cleaner!

I don't know thats not really a nice things to say is it? I suspect you probably didn't know that I consider Heathenism to be my religon either, but if I told a Christian that the early Christians were smelly I would not be suprised if they took offence

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav

Your points are pretty opaque to be honest- but responding to them would give your bigoted ways some sort of justification.

Im not arguing that the Norse are far superior, so I can't be a bigot.

Umm, well, I'm glad that when I left this discussion was moving... perhaps not in the way I was hoping for?

1. People of that time weren't so different for one another. Most were barbaric, some were more advanced in humanism. The Greeks have forged a democracy, which made them the Meditteranian country leader for hundreds of years. Iceland had a democracy installed, yes, but the truth was that they had a hard time applying it. It wasn't as constant as the Greeks, who took real pride in their system, and respected it. So therefore, the Greeks were, as Gran Moff Gav stated, superior in the many ways that derived from this stable democracy.

2. I would not insult Gran Moff Gav on his religion. Christianity brings people to close their minds more often than the contrary, however he seems to be aware of that and doesn't let it happen. You should have respect for him in that mean.

3. Respect has been lost on both sides, which kept this thread from the sanity level recquired to discuss peacefully. I suggest you both apologize for comments or the way you commented to the other.

4. I declare myself high king of the world and of this religion topic forum.

Wow. This thread is just proof that we're all an argumentative lot. The first post just wanted a discussion about two myths, and I'm going to assume that no one here worships the ancient Greek or Norse gods, so this isn't a debate that's close to people's hearts like religion. It's basically asking which set of stories do you enjoy better. Now we're talking about racism and sexism, which is funny considering that two men are arguing about women's rights in ancient times. Am I the only one who finds this amusing?

I'm going to go back on topic and discuss the gods and not the cultures' ideas about democracy or lack thereof. I always preferred the Greek myths because they made more sense to me. The Greek gods are pretty much just like the X-Men: they're people who have really big powers. They aren't loving, all-knowing entities and humanity is often way down on their priorities. But that's not what makes the stories charming. You don't read about Aphrodite and Persephone fighting over Adonis expecting to have your faith renewed in these gods. You read Greek myths because they're a soap opera. Zeus had sex with anything that had an orifice, tricked one of his brothers into being the lord of the Underworld, and did nothing to help his countless children stay out of trouble. He's not a god. He's a flawed superhero and that's fun to read.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Wow. This thread is just proof that we're all an argumentative lot. The first post just wanted a discussion about two myths, and I'm going to assume that no one here worships the ancient Greek or Norse gods, so this isn't a debate that's close to people's hearts like religion. It's basically asking which set of stories do you enjoy better. Now we're talking about racism and sexism, which is funny considering that two men are arguing about women's rights in ancient times. Am I the only one who finds this amusing?

I'm going to go back on topic and discuss the gods and not the cultures' ideas about democracy or lack thereof. I always preferred the Greek myths because they made more sense to me. The Greek gods are pretty much just like the X-Men: they're people who have really big powers. They aren't loving, all-knowing entities and humanity is often way down on their priorities. But that's not what makes the stories charming. You don't read about Aphrodite and Persephone fighting over Adonis expecting to have your faith renewed in these gods. You read Greek myths because they're a soap opera. Zeus had sex with anything that had an orifice, tricked one of his brothers into being the lord of the Underworld, and did nothing to help his countless children stay out of trouble. He's not a god. He's a flawed superhero and that's fun to read.

I'm falling more and more in love with you by the day. 😆

Care to seduce me with some educated comments then? 😆

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Care to seduce me with some educated comments then? 😆

Mmm, one thing I've learned is that, here on this forum, when one posts a comment, he is sure to get kicked until his back is at the wall. Since I can speak for hours of any of the topics discussed here, but can only write the approximation of 45 seconds of speech within each posts, I will therefore deliver my thoughts when I judge the time to be appropriate, for I am far from an intellectual who keeps all to himself and doesn't share his knowledge with others. No, I will share in due time, but right now am focusing on bringing everyone back on their two feet, for I fear some are tempered enough to crash any points that might see the light of day.

And don't worry, I'll end up seducing, either with my intellectual knowledge, or with my ability to act like a clown. 😛

Originally posted by Mandos

Iceland had a democracy installed, yes, but the truth was that they had a hard time applying it. It wasn't as constant as the Greeks, who took real pride in their system, and respected it. So therefore, the Greeks were, as Gran Moff Gav stated, superior in the many ways that derived from this stable democracy.

With all due respect you said that germanic tribes used their women in battle im still waiting for proof.

Have you got any proof that The Icelanders had a hard time applying it and that it was less constant than the Greeks? 😬

Originally posted by Mandos
I suggest you both apologize for comments or the way you commented to the other.

I've already apologised.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Wow. This thread is just proof that we're all an argumentative lot. The first post just wanted a discussion about two myths, and I'm going to assume that no one here worships the ancient Greek or Norse gods, so this isn't a debate that's close to people's hearts like religion. It's basically asking which set of stories do you enjoy better. Now we're talking about racism and sexism, which is funny considering that two men are arguing about women's rights in ancient times. Am I the only one who finds this amusing?

Yes I do worship the Norse god, no I don't find this amusing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes I do worship the Norse god

But there were several. Nonetheless, hows that been working out for you?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
no I don't find this amusing.

I believe she was referring to men debating over women's rights.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
With all due respect you said that germanic tribes used their women in battle im still waiting for proof.

Have you got any proof that The Icelanders had a hard time applying it and that it was less constant than the Greeks? 😬

I've already apologised.

Yes I do worship the Norse god, no I don't find this amusing.

You know, I'm not saying that the Greek Gods deserved more respect than the Northern Gods. If I had to choose, I'd probably pick the Northern Gods myself.

For the warrior women I haven't had time to look where I wanted. As for the iceland democracy, well, you don't need my help. A little research from your side is all that is needed. I did mine.

Originally posted by Mandos
You know, I'm not saying that the Greek Gods deserved more respect than the Northern Gods. If I had to choose, I'd probably pick the Northern Gods myself.

I know.

Originally posted by Mandos

For the warrior women I haven't had time to look where I wanted. As for the iceland democracy, well, you don't need my help. A little research from your side is all that is needed. I did mine.

Well anyway I gave my reasons why I think you could have got it wrong.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There were several what?

Norse gods.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Is that a genuine question?

Yup.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes she was, I still don't find anything amusing.

What a sad way to live.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Norse gods.

Yup.

What a sad way to live.

Go and find somebody else to piss off.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Go and find somebody else to piss off.

By asking reasonable questions?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
By asking reasonable questions?

The question is reasonable but I don't think you are being genuine. I think you're just trying to irritate me due to the sarcastic comments.