Greek gods vs Norse gods

Started by willofthewisp6 pages

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
With all due respect you said that germanic tribes used their women in battle im still waiting for proof.

Have you got any proof that The Icelanders had a hard time applying it and that it was less constant than the Greeks? 😬

I've already apologised.

Yes I do worship the Norse god, no I don't find this amusing.

If you can't find amusement in the fact that adults (presumably) come to a forum to argue and dissect even the smallest points of other people's arguments and debate to the extent that we've resorted to the subject of "which ancient culture had the better democracy," then I don't know how you'll last around here.

Which Norse god do you worship? You might want to write in to all the mythology books out there with disclaimers and introductions that all these gods have no contemporary followers. Just what all goes into worshipping a Norse god?

Mandos....I have no idea what to do with you.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Mandos....I have no idea what to do with you.

My psychologist said the same thing last week. 😛

Does anybody know of a good Norse epic to really compare to something like The Iliad or The Odyssey? I always liked both of those stories very much, but I know the Norse people had sagas and many rich stories of their own. Are their any epics like that?

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Originally posted by willofthewisp
If you can't find amusement in the fact that adults (presumably) come to a forum to argue and dissect even the smallest points of other people's arguments and debate to the extent that we've resorted to the subject of "which ancient culture had the better democracy," then I don't know how you'll last around here.

In the grand scheme of things it doesnt really matter if i don't last on a discussion forum. I tend to take things serioulsy and im a little hot headed but im alright really.

Originally posted by willofthewisp

Which Norse god do you worship?

I don't have any official rituals yet but its mainly Thor and the alfs (elves)

Originally posted by willofthewisp

You might want to write in to all the mythology books out there with disclaimers and introductions that all these gods have no contemporary followers. Just what all goes into worshipping a Norse god?

No people still worship Thor, Odin etc. the religon is called Asatru, Odinism (I find that term insulting) or heathenism.

What does it involve? Well its not like Abrahamic religons alot of it is really commmon sense. It doesnt have any dogma or anything like that but obvoulsy you are supposed to treat others the way you want to be treated etc etc.

There are some official rituals but like I said I have not started doing it on an official basis. To cut along story short it would just involve some reasearch into the relgion and some common sense. For example if you worship Thor you may wish to make an oferring or do something special for the god on Thursday there are no hard and fast rules but obvosuly people who like Norse culture will like this religon and would take some customs from the Norse people.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Does anybody know of a good Norse epic to really compare to something like The Iliad or The Odyssey? I always liked both of those stories very much, but I know the Norse people had sagas and many rich stories of their own. Are their any epics like that?

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Which involved humans and Gods in an tangeled story like the Illiad and the Odessey? No. I've read read both, very good book. And no such things exist in the Northern culture. It was more that the Gods have a story of their own.

If you are interested, two I could refer to you is Thor's tale, of killing frost giants. Another one would be Loki and his children, all full of mischief, which led down to Ragnarok, or the death of all Gods.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Does anybody know of a good Norse epic to really compare to something like The Iliad or The Odyssey? I always liked both of those stories very much, but I know the Norse people had sagas and many rich stories of their own. Are their any epics like that?

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Volksung sagas is an epic I can think of. Not an epic but I love this, 😄

http://www.ragweedforge.com/havamal.html

Basically its a poem and the speaker is Odin. To heathens its kinda like the ten commandments because throughout the poem Odin is giving advice and words of wisdom.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Does anybody know of a good Norse epic to really compare to something like The Iliad or The Odyssey? I always liked both of those stories very much, but I know the Norse people had sagas and many rich stories of their own. Are their any epics like that?

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The Sword of the Volsungs. The Ring Cycle (actually that might not be written by Norse). Odin the Wanderer isn't exactly an epic but it is similar. If you're more interested in the characters and are open minded about slightly different takes on them you could also read some of the recent arcs from the Thor comics, which are very well written and some are written in the style of an epic.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Volksung sagas is an epic I can think of. Not an epic but I love this, 😄

http://www.ragweedforge.com/havamal.html

Basically its a poem and the speaker is Odin. To heathens its kinda like the ten commandments because throughout the poem Odin is giving advice and words of wisdom.

I believe that, in Northern mythology, Odin was the only God who died, and came back, which gave him incredible wisdom, does he not?

Maybe I am mistaken?

Originally posted by Mandos
I believe that, in Northern mythology, Odin was the only God who died, and came back, which gave him incredible wisdom, does he not?

Maybe I am mistaken?

Well yeah Odin is also described as being 'undead'. Odin is supposed to have hung himself on Yggdrasil he died and then he came back and this he he learn't about the runes. Thor is also supposed to incredibly wise as well...but most people don't know abot that side of the god and usually associate him with wacking stuff.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well yeah Odin is also described as being 'undead'. Thor is also supposed to incredibly wise as well...but most people don't know abot that side of the god and usually associate him with wacking stuff.

Ha, well it's there curse! Maybe some lucky wandering souls will come across this thread and be enlighted. Or maybe they'll finish as a crane cup in which Odin will toast and drink.

He hung himself from the world tree, plucked out his eye in return for a drink from the well of memory, there are a few other adventures he went on to become all wise and knowing.

Originally posted by Mandos
I believe that, in Northern mythology, Odin was the only God who died, and came back, which gave him incredible wisdom, does he not?

Maybe I am mistaken?

The water from Mimir's Well gave him wisdom as did meditating while he hung from the branches of the world tree. I'm not sure how accurate the translations I have are, however.

Yggdrasil is where Odin hung upside-down for nine nights in order to obtain the Rune Alphabet. Beneath the roots lies the spring, Mimir, to which Odin sacrificed an eye to gain wisdom.

Originally posted by Storm
Yggdrasil is where Odin hung upside-down for nine nights in order to obtain the Rune Alphabet. Beneath the roots lies the spring, Mimir, to which Odin sacrificed an eye to gain wisdom.

It's beautiful in some sense. 😎

Heres some stuff on Thor. 😄

http://thorshof.org/thunder14.htm


So Can Thor Be Considered As A Patron Of Spiritual Enlightenment?
1. Freya is said to have taught the gods of the Aesir the magical arts when she arrived in Asgard. This would include Thor.

2. There are references in both the sagas and the surviving runic monuments that Thor was asked to perform magic by his worshippers.

3. The sagas claim that Thor can influence dreams, strong evidence of shamanic ability.

4. Thor can appear instantly where he is needed, such as in the tale of Building of Asgard's wall. Either his goats can run very fast or he can magically move from one place to another.

5. There has been much academic debate on possible hidden meanings in the Tale of Geirrod, in which Thor trades his hammer for a witchwoman's staff and is forced to cross a river of giantess's urine. Suggestions vary from a journey of shamanic initiation to a creation myth. It is also interesting to note that the staff was the mark of office of the female magic working in the north.

6. Several myths refer to Thor calling on a reserve of magical power to increase his strength (The Lay of Hymir, The Tale of Geirrod). This allows him to increase in size until he stands 'as high as heaven'. If this isn't magical power I don't know what is.

7. Thor fools Hymir by arriving in the form of a young boy, this is an example of shapeshifting, a talent of the god often overlooked.

8. When compared to the classical pantheon, Thor is compared to Jove, thus Jovis Dais is our Thursday. Thor shares many of Jove's attributes including an interest in law and order and his role as benevolent protector. Jove does not suffer from accusations of stupidity and occupies a position of unquestioned supremacy among the Roman gods.

9. Thor is frequently invoked (more so apparently than any other Norse deity) for the consecration and hallowing of religious artefacts and ceremonies. Thus Thor must be considered to be in tune with spirituality.

10. Thor's hammer has no spiritual characteristics and is clearly not the source of Thor's consecrating power. (Its attributes are listed in the Edda, it cannot be broken, cannot miss its mark, can change in size and always returns to Thor's hand when thrown. Although magical these qualities do not explain the symbol was used to hallow.) This strongly suggests that the hammer is used in this context because it is Thor's personal symbol.

11. It is not Thor's hammer that gives him control over the weather and thunder. This power appears to be part of his very being. Again this is a magical ability.

12. Thor is shown on many of the surviving hammer amulets in the form of a bird, probably an eagle. As this symbolism is not explained in the myths and sagas it appears to be a shamanic form of the god which has not been recorded. This would tie in with thunder bird beliefs from across the globe.

13. In the Eddic tale of Balder's funeral celebrations it is Thor who among all the gods acts as a priest and blesses the pyre.

14. Thor has the power to raise the dead (Myth of Utgardaloki)

15. Thor decrees the fate of Starkard in King Gautrek's Saga. This shows he has the ability to manipulate future events.

16. Thor is the companion of Loki, probably the most daring user of magical power among all the gods and goddesses, some of Loki's knowledge must have been passed on.

17. Thor is depicted in later artwork as having a halo of fire and or stars, and is well known for having a fiery gaze. Of all the gods and goddesses described in the myths he is the least 'human' in appearance. This would suggest that it was recognised that Thor is closer to the elemental forces he represents and controls than the other deities, and therefore very much part of the spiritual life force. Before anyone claims that Thor only represents the element of fire, remember he is very close to all four elements.

18. Thor is more associated with star constellations than any other Norse deity. He is also credited with placing the stars Aurvandil (story of Hrungnir) and Thiassi's eyes (version given in the Lay of Harbard) in the heavens. These are aspects of creation.

19. According to Berlams Saga, Thor is the father of nine of the Norns.

20. One of Thor's quests in the myths is the search for a cauldron, cauldrons often represent spiritual knowledge such as the cauldrons of mead won by Odin.

21. Thor's bizarre tactics in Egil and Asmund's Saga (the story of Eaglebeak) suggests a knowledge of the future. As Thor is the brother of the goddess Frigg (who knows the future but doesn't speak of it) and wife of Sif, who Snorri names as a seeress and father of nine Norns this is far from improbable.

22. Again in Eaglebeak Thor blesses the farm so it has an improbable yeild, another aspect of magical ability.

23. Some of the most complex Norse poetry was written in Thor's honour, the obvious examples being the poetic versions of the tales of Geirrod and Hrungnir preseved in Snorri's Edda. Such elaborate work would not have been dedicated to Thor if he was not considered a connoisseur of the poetic arts. His interest in poetic kennings revealed in his intellectual contest with Alvis also suggests this is the case.

24. The heathen Icelandic legal oath named an 'almighty god' alongside Frey and Njord, this is most certainly Thor the patron of the Althing. 'Almighty' suggests that Thor was considered to be well qualified in all aspects of godhood, and not just good at wacking things.

25. If Thor is not able to provide for his followers spiritual needs, why was he so popular in the past and why is he so popular now?

Sorry couldn't help it. 😐

Shame on you, no really it's fine. 😄

Originally posted by Storm
Yggdrasil is where Odin hung upside-down for nine nights in order to obtain the Rune Alphabet. Beneath the roots lies the spring, Mimir, to which Odin sacrificed an eye to gain wisdom.

The elder Futhark Runes, to be precise. 😛

All of it sounds fascinating and I have some time to read coming up in my schedule for once, so thanks!

Originally posted by willofthewisp
All of it sounds fascinating and I have some time to read coming up in my schedule for once, so thanks!

Told you you'd get something good out of me. 😛

Originally posted by Storm
Yggdrasil is where Odin hung upside-down for nine nights in order to obtain the Rune Alphabet. Beneath the roots lies the spring, Mimir, to which Odin sacrificed an eye to gain wisdom.

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