Ryu vs Cloud Strife

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
So Cloud using a special to do a feat is irrelevant, but when Gouki does we can't count the feat?

Stfu with that shit.

Cloud is not as strong as Ryu by your own friggin logic.

He split Ayer's Rock in half. That doesn't count as destroying?

Because those were only normal Hadoukens?

Your double standards amuse me.

it still counts. but where's your logic? gouki would sink an island in SFA timeline but he only splitted ayers rock in half in SF3 timeline while he's far stronger in SF3 timeline, and what worse, in SFA timeline he's using a punch and in SF3 timeline he's using special. where's his power he contained in SFA timeline? he may create more damage at ayers rock with just a punch.

normal hadouken? that's a normal hadouken. but I guess you know for each every of his hadou-beam contained a power from his fist which is capable to sink an island.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
it still counts. but where's your logic? gouki would sink an island in SFA timeline but he only splitted ayers rock in half in SF3 timeline while he's far stronger in SF3 timeline, and what worse, in SFA timeline he's using a punch and in SF3 timeline he's using special. where's his power he contained in SFA timeline? he may create more damage at ayers rock with just a punch.

normal hadouken? that's a normal hadouken. but I guess you know for each every of his hadou-beam contained a power from his fist which is capable to sink an island.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Rock is far heavier than flesh dude. And Ryu held it for HOURS during training with Oro, Cloud knocked said Bahamut Sin down with a special, it was not a normal slash. Going by that logic, Gouki can destroy islands with standard punches, and since Ryu has taken Gouki's punches, Ryu's durability is greater than that of an island.

standard != special

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
standard != special

But when Gouki busts an island with a special, you say he can't spam said punches.

Which is a double standard.

I never said cloud would smack bahamut down with normal slash. I always pointed he used braver to smack bahamut down.

Then how does that translate to him being physically stronger than Ryu?

I'll give it to you now.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Ryu would destroy Bahamut. Ryu fights people who would rip Bahamut in half.

Bahamut was hit by an energy filled "special", adding force to the attack. 30 times the size of those rocks? No he isn't.

Show me Ryu fighting and "destroying" something even remotely close to Bahamut plz.. Ryu would get disintegrated by Bahamuts blast.

Heres a pic of a human compared to a blue whale, i scaled it so that the human was Clouds size, it made the 100 foot Blue Whale about the same size as Bahamut, a Blue Whale on Average weighs about 200 tons, i'd like to see Ryu beable to knock down something about 200 tons

Do you really think Ryu's shoryuken can hurt Bahamut? Even humans can take it and survive..

Watch from 3:50 to 5:10, and pay attenttion to what he easily cuts from 5:00-5:10

YouTube video

Do you think Ryu is capable of that? And please don't reply saying "If Ryu had a sword, he'd beable to do it"

He fought Gouki, who destroyed an island.

And your scans are unreliable.

Ever consider maybe Bahamut was closer to the screen than Cloud?

Cause when I saw Cloud cut the hell out of Bahamut, it was nowhere near 100 feet.

And that doesn't prove Cloud is stronger than friggin Ryu, Cloud did it with a special which enhanced strike power, going by that Gouki has island busting power in his fists and busts an island in every Goddamn punch, and since Ryu can take and block said punches, he has above island level durability and strength. But no, you will continue to use the double standard.

I could not see what was in the vid, though I assume it was the scene where Cloud cut piece of a building in half.

Not impressive when SF characters can break through boulders and such pretty easily.

Also, didn't Ryu once fire a Hadouken straight through a building?

Gouki has island busting power in his fists and busts an island in every Goddamn punch, and since Ryu can take and block said punches, he has above island level durability and strength. But no, you will continue to use the double standard.

there you go again. we're talking about physical strength and not a special. gouki can sink an island with a punch while he only managed to split it in half with a special when he's stronger. your logic is confusing. in SF4 trailer, you know that gouki's hadouken only managed to create an explosion and not created any heavy damage. don't make ryu looks like a DBZ character like. he's nowhere near island's durability.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
there you go again. we're talking about physical strength and not a special. gouki can sink an island with a punch while he only managed to split it in half with a special when he's stronger. your logic is confusing. in SF4 trailer, you know that gouki's hadouken only managed to create an explosion and not created any heavy damage. don't make ryu looks like a DBZ character like. he's nowhere near island's durability.

You're talking about physical strength not a special, yet repeatedly bringng up Cloud using a special to cut Bahamut.

It's a double standard.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
there you go again. we're talking about physical strength and not a special. gouki can sink an island with a punch while he only managed to split it in half with a special when he's stronger. your logic is confusing. in SF4 trailer, you know that gouki's hadouken only managed to create an explosion and not created any heavy damage. don't make ryu looks like a DBZ character like. he's nowhere near island's durability.

I'm bringing up an example of how I can apply Terry's stupid logic to fit my argument and showing how he is using a double standard.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He fought Gouki, who destroyed an island.

And your scans are unreliable.

Ever consider maybe Bahamut was closer to the screen than Cloud?

Cause when I saw Cloud cut the hell out of Bahamut, it was nowhere near 100 feet.

No, Bahamut just looks smaller sometimes because the camera angle is behind the character

As you can see, Vincent is not even the size of Bahamuts toenail, and in the second picture Vincent is standing ON Bahamut.

And that doesn't prove Cloud is stronger than friggin Ryu, Cloud did it with a special which enhanced strike power, going by that Gouki has island busting power in his fists and busts an island in every Goddamn punch, and since Ryu can take and block said punches, he has above island level durability and strength. But no, you will continue to use the double standard.

No your not understanding my point, my point is Cloud has the strength to do all that, Ryu doesn't. Yes its a "special" but it still counts as his strength, Ryu can do all the specials he wants as well, but i don't see him being able to physically faze Bahamut.

I could not see what was in the vid, though I assume it was the scene where Cloud cut piece of a building in half.

Not impressive when SF characters can break through boulders and such pretty easily.

Also, didn't Ryu once fire a Hadouken straight through a building?

SF characters cant break through bolders with normal attacks, or else they'd be shattering regular humans when they hit them.

I don't know, if he did, post it.

Bahamuts blast would've destroyed about 5 blocks of the city, Cloud went right through it.

Perhaps Gouki in SF3 ending was training, AND it was a slashing attack designed to SPLIT Uluru in half, not shatter it like Goukentou...

It's two different moves for starters...

2ndly, if Ryu can TAKE island busting shots, and dish them out since he has SFA Gouki level ability by SF3, then you tell me who has the higher physical stats...

However... Cloud's speed is much higher than Ryu's....

you sure know the difference of fist attacking type and slashing attacking type do you? gouki didn't use chop type but using a fist type. just like this : http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sf3-2aku.htm

and, if ryu capable to shatter an island, why can't he KO hugo? hugo is just andore, a normal thug in final fight. don't tell me hugo is stronger than island because we know he's defeated somewhere in FF by someone who can't shatter an island.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
you sure know the difference of fist attacking type and slashing attacking type do you? gouki didn't use chop type but using a fist type. just like this : http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/a/sf3-2aku.htm

He doesn't have to use a chop because the way he projects his energy dictates how it functions. Sameway Guile can cut with his projectile even though his fist are closed when he fires. Kongouku-Retsuzan is a cutting technique based on it's name and function.

Thank you, classic nes, finally, someone who can understand....

BTW, Darkstorm SC4 is out now. Are you gonna use it as ammo for the "thread"? 😖hifty:

WTF, Bahamut the size of a blue whale? That has to be one of the fanboyish things I have ever heard.

Well I showed you some evidence didn't I?