Joker vs Green Goblin

Originally posted by Da Joker
Eh, no, he didn't care about dying, he simply didn't care. Anyone will tell you this. He was not afraid of death. If he were, he'd have been more cowardly like Nicholson's Joker.

That seems to be your perspective though. Clearly everyone who's seen the movie will agree he wasn't suicidal.

Maybe not suicidal, but you can't simply deny that he wasn't afraid of death. He wanted Batman to kill him because he'd gain the ultimate victory.

Originally posted by Da Joker
Maybe not suicidal, but you can't simply deny that he wasn't afraid of death. He wanted Batman to kill him because he'd gain the ultimate victory.

Who's to say that's what he wanted. How do we know he was just testing Batman and ultimately fearing for his life beneath it all. Open-ended question, now back on topic.

If he was fearing for his life, why test him at all? Your logic behind him being a coward inside is really odd.

Originally posted by Da Joker
If he was fearing for his life, why test him at all? Your logic behind him being a coward inside is really odd.

It's Batman, you can be sure he won't kill you, it's his only moral code. I'm not saying he was a coward, I'm saying he wasn't suicidal.

I know, but he wasn't afraid of death either, and he showed it many times. In any case, the guy was very intelligent.

Intelligence was his only factor in this equation. He wanted to outsmart Batman, now back on topic, please...

And he did just that by winning.

What's there to say? This Joker doesn't have a large chance of winning without prep.

Originally posted by Scythe
Who's to say that's what he wanted. How do we know he was just testing Batman and ultimately fearing for his life beneath it all. Open-ended question, now back on topic.

He was laughing because he was a crazy fvck. He wasnt suicidal, he just didnt give a shit.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He was laughing hysterically when he was about to fall to his death.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. He actually thought Batman was going to let him die and was laughing as he wasn't scared. I liked that this Joker wasn't scared to die at all.

He didn't want to die. He wanted Batman to kill him. That's quite a difference.

How can you people so blatantly misunderstand movies.

Edit.

Originally posted by Scythe
That seems to be your perspective though. Clearly everyone who's seen the movie will agree he wasn't suicidal.

Well, not really....

When he walk into the bosses meeting his coat was full of grenades and explosives...so that would make him be consider a suicidal bomber.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He didn't want to die. He wanted Batman to kill him. That's quite a difference.

How can you people so blatantly misunderstand movies.

In my opinion, the Joker was just doing what he did to despair people. He didn't care of the outcome, since he is so psychotic. He laughed like an idiot when he fell from the roof because....well, because he's the Joker. He did what he did because he wanted Batman to intervene since, as Joker put it, Batman is so much fun. I doubt that Joker cared whether he lived or died.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He didn't want to die. He wanted Batman to kill him. That's quite a difference.

How can you people so blatantly misunderstand movies.

And you are correct.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, not really....

When he walk into the bosses meeting his coat was full of grenades and explosives...so that would make him be consider a suicidal bomber.

Well yeah, but I saw that as a bluff. Joker enters phases of plans feeling assured, he thought that all those mobsters would value their lives and put all those grenades in his coat. For all we know, they could've been fake, since he does that at times, but I respect your view on that, I just saw him throughout the entire time as either taking a good chance he was already sure of, or massively bluffing. You could see how he almost knew things were gonna fall into place when his expression changed after the boats didn't explode.

He wasn't bluffing, he was ****ing nuts and didn't care if he was going to die.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I never said he wanted to die. Only that he did not fear death.

Well, he did want to die though....in one specific way, killed by Batman. That was the whole point. We don't actually know whether he feared a pointless death by some random police officer shooting him (personally I even doubt it, but there's nothing in the movie to indicate it). Your "he did not fear death" only applies to being killed by Batman, who does not kill. It doesn't apply to anyone else as far as we know.