United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Originally posted by sithsaber408
But they'll consolodate around him to keep Obama from winning. They just won't like it.

As I've said time and again, he'd do well to have Mike Huckabee as his VP, thus securing the evangelical and standard Republican vote, while hopefully hanging on to the moderates and independents that McCain has gathered from his less conservative positions on global warming, immigration, etc... and general willingness to buck the trend with Republican party line policy if he personally disagrees with it.

If those voters wouldn't be turned off by Huckabee (or a strong conservative that is like him), then he'd defeat Obama who gets most of his support from very liberal, well educated and/or black voters.

I'm voting McCain, though I'm not happy about it.

Your last sentence probably sums up the feelings of most of the evangelicals that you mentioned. Most will probably vote for McCain regardless of who he picks for VP, simply because they'd see him as the lesser of two evils.

An unenthusiastic vote is still a vote. A protest vote is still a vote, counts the same as an enthusiastic vote. So in the end it won't matter, they'll vote for him either way.

That said, I don't understand why Huckabee doesn't get mentioned more when it comes to McCain's VP. I think he'd be a good choice. He's likeable, funny, and popular amongst conservatives. And it seems McCain gets along with him well (which can't be said about Romney, who McCain seems to despise).

Originally posted by BackFire
That said, I don't understand why Huckabee doesn't get mentioned more when it comes to McCain's VP.

He's going to pick Pawlenty or Romney. Romney will help with liberal conservatives like those in New Hampshire and Mormons like in Michigan, but apart from that, but I still don't think he'll win.

I projected a map with Obama/Bayh vs McCain/Romney

(I was being harsh to Obama)

Originally posted by lord xyz
What state do you live in Sithsaber?

California. 😎

Originally posted by BackFire
Your last sentence probably sums up the feelings of most of the evangelicals that you mentioned. Most will probably vote for McCain regardless of who he picks for VP, simply because they'd see him as the lesser of two evils.

An unenthusiastic vote is still a vote. A protest vote is still a vote, counts the same as an enthusiastic vote. So in the end it won't matter, they'll vote for him either way.

That said, I don't understand why Huckabee doesn't get mentioned more when it comes to McCain's VP. I think he'd be a good choice. He's likeable, funny, and popular amongst conservatives. And it seems McCain gets along with him well (which can't be said about Romney, who McCain seems to despise).

Exactly what I've been saying. He built up a rather large grass-roots following of people that took him through several states in the primary, even to the point of getting votes against McCain when he wasn't in the race anymore!

Originally posted by Strangelove
Picking a Baptist minister will hurt him among independents. It serves the base, not the greater electorate.

Will those same independents side with a liberal democrat? Possibly. Depending on their personal views.

But if they are more conservative minded individuals (or "middle-of-the-road" people) who are independent because the Dems are too liberal and Repubs too conservative, I think they'd find McCain as the closer blend of ideals.

Obama is an out-and-out liberal, with one of the most consistently far left voting records.

So my opinion is that mid-line independents would want McCain, and although Huckabee might loose him a few, he'd still keep a few and he'd totally energize the base.

(evangelicals gave bush the 2004 election despite media outrage, michael moore's film, eminem's music video, Barbara Striesand/Susan Surandon/Ben Affleck/etc.. protesting and everybody knows it. He wouldn't have won without them)

To me it's a far greater advantage to McCain's campaign than a disadvantage to have Huckabee as VP.

Originally posted by lord xyz
He's going to pick Pawlenty or Romney. Romney will help with liberal conservatives like those in New Hampshire and Mormons like in Michigan, but apart from that, but I still don't think he'll win.

I projected a map with Obama/Bayh vs McCain/Romney

(I was being harsh to Obama)

You're assuming that Obama will win both Virginia and New Mexico.

Based on your map, if Obama lost Virigina, he'd lose the election.

Virginia went Repulican for Bush the last 2 elections and New Mexico voted for Bush over Kerry in 2004. (though in New Mexico it was a 48% tie for the Bush/Gore election in 2000, with a slight edge to Gore)

Obama has big work to do if he wants to turn that state. Current polls show him in tie with McCain, leading by about 2% or even. Note: that in many polls 10% of voters haven't decided yet. http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/virginia_electoral_college_a/

Who votes the least in America?

Young people and minorities?

Where does Obama's biggest support come from..just wondering?

It depends on who McCain picks as his running mate. At 72 who it is is very important. I hope it's Romney. If he picks Huckabee I'll be forced to vote for Obama.

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
It depends on who McCain picks as his running mate. At 72 who it is is very important. I hope it's Romney. If he picks Huckabee I'll be forced to vote for Obama.

I'm curious as to why.

Romney and Huckabee take the EXACT same stance on every major issue. Romney is just as religious (believing in Mormonism) and conservative as Huckabee.

So what's the difference?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'm curious as to why.

Romney and Huckabee take the EXACT same stance on every major issue. Romney is just as religious (believing in Mormonism) and conservative as Huckabee.

So what's the difference?

It might simply be the Mormonism, which would drive away some of the religious right as well.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'm curious as to why.

Romney is just as religious (believing in Mormonism) and conservative as Huckabee.

So what's the difference?

Not true. Romney is far more moderate. Huckabee has publicly stated he wants to rewrite the constitution based on the bible. My reason is I believe Romney will respect the seperation of church and state while Huckabee won't.

You need to check youtube and see where Romney talks about believing that the bible (in it's entirety, including Jonah and the whale) is the Word of God and he believes it.

His positions on abortion, gay marriage, etc... are all THE SAME as Huckabee.

If you like him better that's fine, but he's no more moderate than Huckabee.

In other news:

That made me lol.

Another good one:

Wonder if there's any truth to that age old myth that Dems will raise taxes?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You need to check youtube and see where Romney talks about believing that the bible (in it's entirety, including Jonah and the whale) is the Word of God and he believes it.

His positions on abortion, gay marriage, etc... are all THE SAME as Huckabee.

If you like him better that's fine, but he's no more moderate than Huckabee.

Are you really that willing to put a person who believes in such unbelievable stories in a position of power, simply because you share the same stance of a few issues like abortion and gay-marriage?

Originally posted by sithsaber408

Why do you keep posting these silly pictures? I believe the thread's intended for discussion.

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you really that willing to put a person who believes in such unbelievable stories in a position of power, simply because you share the same stance of a few issues like abortion and gay-marriage?

I agree with the "unbelievable stories" too.

So, yeah.

well, the world really is a simple place, eh sithsaber?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I agree with the "unbelievable stories" too.

So, yeah.

Fair enough.

What if Obama came out and said he believes in unicorns, dragons and leprechauns as being factual. Would you think having that stance would [further] disqualify him as being President?

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough.

What if Obama came out and said he believes in unicorns, dragons and leprechauns as being factual. Would you think having that stance would [further] disqualify him as being President?

Yeah, because that's loony.

Originally posted by inimalist
well, the world really is a simple place, eh sithsaber?

I wish. 🙁

But some things are pretty cut and dried, like what's right and wrong.