United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough.

What if Obama came out and said he believes in unicorns, dragons and leprechauns as being factual. Would you think having that stance would [further] disqualify him as being President?

But isn't Obama a Christian? Last I heard, Christians believe that the bible is the word of god. What's the difference? A person of a different religion, or an atheist will never be elected as president in my life time.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Yeah, because that's loony.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But isn't Obama a Christian? Last I heard, Christians believe that the bible is the word of god. What's the difference? A person of a different religion, or an atheist will never be elected as president in my life time.

You don't have to take every Bible story in a literal sense to be a Christian.

Common sense should be a requirement for being a Christian/religious, imo.

Originally posted by Robtard
You don't have to take every Bible story in a literal sense to be a Christian.

But if you use the stories, in the bible, as a guide in your life, then what's the difference? You don't have to believe that something is literally true, to believe that it is fundamentally true. Just ask Obama if Jesus is still alive.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I wish. 🙁

But some things are pretty cut and dried, like what's right and wrong.

of course

one should almost be proud of sticking their fingers in their ears, as bumper stickers represent a pinnicle of political diatribe

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I agree with the "unbelievable stories" too.

So, yeah.

McCain's version is obviously wrong. He'd say to the homeless man, "I'll write checks to the largest companies in your city, and then their prosperity will decrease the costs of goods and services, and someone else will come along and give you a twenty."

Everything else can stay. 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But if you use the stories, in the bible, as a guide in your life, then what's the difference? You don't have to believe that something is literally true, to believe that it is fundamentally true. Just ask Obama if Jesus is still alive.

What's the difference? One is applying common sense and using that story as just a guide, the other is actually believing it happened. The latter being delusional and borderline insane.

Which was my point, you don't have to literally believe every story to be a Christian, you can apply common logic and just take the meaning to heart.

Originally posted by dadudemon
McCain's version is obviously wrong. He'd say to the homeless man, "I'll write checks to the largest companies in your city, and then their prosperity will decrease the costs of goods and services, and someone else will come along and give you a twenty."

Not bad, but it would be "the twenty will trickle down to you".

I do. 🙂

Unfortunantnly, that doesn't fly too well in meh Church. Eh.

Originally posted by Robtard
What's the difference? One is applying common sense and using that story as just a guide, the other is actually believing it happened. The latter being delusional and borderline insane.

Which was my point, you don't have to literally believe every story to be a Christian, you can apply common logic and just take the meaning to heart.

I would consider both to be delusional. Degrees of delusion only matter a little.

I am really not disagreeing with you, and I do see your point, but even you believe in fairy tails. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But if you use the stories, in the bible, as a guide in your life, then what's the difference? You don't have to believe that something is literally true, to believe that it is fundamentally true. Just ask Obama if Jesus is still alive.

So? You think Buddahs keep coming back and that when we cast off our negative influences we'll transcend into a mystical state of pure joy called Nirvana. Everyone believes something.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So? You think Buddahs keep coming back and that when we cast off our negative influences we'll transcend into a mystical state of pure joy called Nirvana. Everyone believes something.

That is my point. 😄

However, I believe that those things are mythology and have a deeper reason then being fact or not.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is my point. 😄

However, I believe that those things are mythology and have a deeper reason then being fact or not.

Thank you for proving my point. It's possible to be an intelligent thinking Christian who takes the Bible in essentially the way you describe or a fundamentalist who thinks it's the literal truth. You don't have a different "degree of delusion" from the first group in any way.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thank you for proving my point. It's possible to be an intelligent thinking Christian who takes the Bible in essentially the way you describe or a fundamentalist who thinks it's the literal truth. You don't have a different "degree of delusion" from the first group in any way.

...but you missed my point... I think it's funny when one type of Christian calls another type of Christian delusional. 😆 ...and yes, I do believe that Christianity is delusional while Buddhism is not. Is that a delusion? Maybe, but I don't think so. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
...but you missed my point... I think it's funny when one type of Christian calls another type of Christian delusional. 😆

srug Whatever floats your boat.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
...and yes, I do believe that Christianity is delusional while Buddhism is not. Is that a delusion?

Yes. That is inarguably a delusion.

However, we're getting off topic.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You're assuming that Obama will win both Virginia and New Mexico.

Based on your map, if Obama lost Virigina, he'd lose the election.

Virginia went Repulican for Bush the last 2 elections and New Mexico voted for Bush over Kerry in 2004. (though in New Mexico it was a 48% tie for the Bush/Gore election in 2000, with a slight edge to Gore)

Obama has big work to do if he wants to turn that state. Current polls show him in tie with McCain, leading by about 2% or even. Note: that in many polls 10% of voters haven't decided yet. http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/virginia_electoral_college_a/

Here is a correct count without Virginia. Keep in mind, McCain would have to really campaign hard just to get this result, Michigan is being very generous, the current projection is Obama having CO, NH, MI, VA, still Kerry was projected to have Colorado, and McCain is liberal in terms of immigration.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I agree with the "unbelievable stories" too.

So, yeah.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Yeah, because that's loony.

I wish. 🙁

But some things are pretty cut and dried, like what's right and wrong.

Originally posted by lord xyz
That actually was pretty funny.

Meh, it's an old, old joke.

If it actually was the case I'd love Obama.

Originally posted by sithsaber408

Originally posted by lord xyz
He's going to pick Pawlenty or Romney. Romney will help with liberal conservatives like those in New Hampshire and Mormons like in Michigan, but apart from that, but I still don't think he'll win.

I projected a map with Obama/Bayh vs McCain/Romney

(I was being harsh to Obama)

I don't think Romney helps McCain in any significant way in NH or MI. And the "reverse coattail" effect is what I'm going to attribute to Obama wins in Colorado and Virginia. Both states have very strong Democratic candidates for Senate, and that might help Obama close the gap in those two states.

Of all of those, Nevada is the state that I think is most likely to switch on my map.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Meh, it's an old, old joke.

If it actually was the case I'd love Obama.

Yeah, Obama is the best out of all of them.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I'm going to have to ask you to stop that. It does nothing to advance the discussion in any way. My map for Obama/Bayh vs. McCain/Romney looks like this:

I don't think Romney helps McCain in any significant way in NH or MI. And the "reverse coattail" effect is what I'm going to attribute to Obama wins in Colorado and Virginia. Both states have very strong Democratic candidates for Senate, and that might help Obama close the gap in those two states.

Of all of those, Nevada is the state that I think is most likely to switch on my map.

By the way, what website did you get that?

(Another map, being less harsh to Obama)

322, actually. I think Obama has a greater edge in Colorado than most pundits think. He has a greater average lead in polls in CO than he does in Virginia.

and I use 270towin.com