United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Started by Aster Phoenix143 pages

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]Arguable.

Okay prove that speeding is not a factor in motor accidents and death.

And it shouldn't. Because it's not the money of the government.

Well thats part of living in a society with others. If your house goes up in flames, you'd better pray for rain.

Yeah, you try. But almost no candidate supports exactly your views.

Well you don't always get your way in this world.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay prove that speeding is not a factor in motor accidents and death.

Never said it isn't.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Well thats part of living in a society with others. If your house goes up in flames, you'd better pray for rain.

Or have private contracts or community based help.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Well you don't always get your way in this world.

True. But if I try sometime, I might find, I can get what I need.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Never said it isn't.

You said it's debatable, no prove it.

Or have private contracts or community based help.

That rarely works. And doing it this way insures that everyone in society is protected regardless of how much money they have.

True. But if I try sometime, I might find, I can get what I need.

So no one else matters in the world but you?

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
You said it's debatable, no prove it.

Nah, didn't.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
That rarely works. And doing it this way insures that everyone in society is protected regardless of how much money they have.

Of course it doesn't work. People already have to pay half their money to the government. And they lose all their incentives to help themselves. And, there are advantages to a government as we have it nowadays, I'd not deny that. But there are also downsides and there'S quite possibly better alternatives.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
So no one else matters in the world but you?

To me? A few people matter, why? What does that have to do with anything?

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]Nah, didn't.

Read back, you did. Everyone else can and see that I am right.

People already have to pay half their money to the government. And they lose all their incentives to help themselves. And, there are advantages to a government as we have it nowadays, I'd not deny that. But there are also downsides and there'S quite possibly better alternatives.

As much as you may not want to admit it, allot cannot help themselves and need government assistance.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Read back, you did. Everyone else can and see that I am right.

No, really, I didn't. Could you stop claiming that, please.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix

As much as you may not want to admit it, allot cannot help themselves and need government assistance.

No, they need assistance. If you feel like you want to help them, be my guest. Don't steal my money. I help who I feel is worthy of my help.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, really, I didn't. Could you stop claiming that, please.

Okay everyone please read back and see where he said it for yourselves and you will know whos telling the truth.

No, they need assistance. If you feel like you want to help them, be my guest. Don't steal my money. I help who I feel is worthy of my help.

Then don't live in a society. I prefer not to live a life of greed and avarice. Everyone has the right to the same assistance and services no matter if they are rich or poor.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay everyone please read back and see where he said it for yourselves and you will know whos telling the truth.

Yeah, go do that.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Then don't live in a society. I prefer not to live a life of greed and avarice. Everyone has the right to the same assistance and services no matter if they are rich or poor.

That's good that YOU believe that. Could you now stop stealing other people's money to pay for what YOU believe in.

Egoist.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay everyone please read back and see where he said it for yourselves and you will know whos telling the truth.

Nah, you read back and quote; substantiate your arguments with actual evidence, for once.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay everyone please read back and see where he said it for yourselves and you will know whos telling the truth.

Then don't live in a society. I prefer not to live a life of greed and avarice. Everyone has the right to the same assistance and services no matter if they are rich or poor.

If you take a stance, it is your job to validate and prove it.

I have no idea what you second point is supposed to be.

That speeding kills people? In my area alone there was over 5 deaths just on labor day alone because of speeding.

My second point is that taxation is the best system for funding social programs.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
That speeding kills people? In my area alone there was over 5 deaths just on labor day alone because of speeding.

Nah, the bit where you keep trying to get people to go back and reread Bardock's posts to validate your argument. You go back and read it, then quote it, if it's there to quote.

What? Do you even get what this is about?

He made a comment about speed limits, I said they are necessary, he said it's debatable, so I asked him to provide an opposing view. Then he said he never said it was debatable, so I told people to read back to see that he did say it.

This brings us up to now.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
What? Do you even get what this is about?

He made a comment about speed limits, I said they are necessary, he said it's debatable, so I asked him to provide an opposing view. Then he said he never said it was debatable, so I told people to read back to see that he did say it.

This brings us up to now.

Incorrect.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
He made a comment about speed limits, I said they are necessary, he said it's debatable, so I asked him to provide an opposing view. Then he said he never said it was debatable, so I told people to read back to see that he did say it.

This brings us up to now.

Right, then I said that you ought to go back and quote the post where he actually said that, instead of telling people to go back and read through it. To be honest, it's up to you to prove it to me, I'm most definitely not going to do it. Also, I believe Bardock over you, as you already have a history (in your short time here) of making up definitions to words and concepts, then using them as if they're established.

Read over the last page.

As interesting as that is, probably should go back to discuss something at least somewhat related to the upcoming election.

Social issues are part of the upcoming election though.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Social issues are part of the upcoming election though.
Yeah, whether you made up shit isn't though.

Then you shouldn't have denied it.