United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Originally posted by KidRock
1. Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban.

2. Ban semi-automatics

Handguns and semi-automatics.

Does Obama suggest I use a Crossbow?

Or a bolt action rifle or an automatic weapon. Then again sources would be nice, links too.

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

http://glassbooth.org/explore/index/barack-obama/11/gun-control/9/

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html

"Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban"

"Obama did not sign a friend-of-the-court brief that urged the Supreme Court to overturn the District of Columbia gun ban."

"Obama said he believes "that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right."

On the handguns thing, Obama claims that it was a staffer who filled out the particular questionnaire and mischaracterized his stance.

Here's a recent article on Obama and the gun concerns -- http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/obama_and_guns_not_going_to_me.html

Originally posted by BackFire
On the handguns thing, Obama claims that it was a staffer who filled out the particular questionnaire and mischaracterized his stance.

Here's a recent article on Obama and the gun concerns -- http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/obama_and_guns_not_going_to_me.html

Lol well that explains it all..it was one of his staffers of course.

Was it another staffer that supported SB 1195 (Semi-Auto Manufacture, Transfer and Possession Ban) in the Illinois Senate that would have banned private hunting shotguns?

Originally posted by KidRock
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

http://glassbooth.org/explore/index/barack-obama/11/gun-control/9/

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html

"Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban"

"Obama did not sign a friend-of-the-court brief that urged the Supreme Court to overturn the District of Columbia gun ban."

"Obama said he believes "that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right."

Originally posted by Strangelove
Why exactly is banning assault weapons bad?

Gives the governmetn more authorative power over its citizens.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Why exactly is banning assault weapons bad?

They'll save us if the government ever attacks . . . ya know with tanks and planes and shit.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They'll save us if the government ever attacks . . . ya know with tanks and planes and shit.

They blamed it on some arab guy.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Why exactly is banning assault weapons bad?

I have a better question, why do some people think banning Miranda Rights is a good thing?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Gives the governmetn more authorative power over its citizens.

The idea behind citizens owning guns is to allow them to defend themselves against the state.

It makes sense.

Originally posted by Strangelove
So by all means, we need to protect the rights of people to own weapons that all but encourage killing your fellow man. The word "assault" in in the freaking name.

So. You want to take away the rights of free people because some are idiots. Assault weapons can obviously be used for protection. I'd assume you could also use them for hunting. Or you might just enjoy collecting them. Whatever it is, the point is that you shouldn't take away rights of people cause you are on a silly power trip...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The idea behind citizens owning guns is to allow them to defend themselves against the state.

It makes sense.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The idea behind citizens owning guns is to allow them to defend themselves against the state.

It makes sense.

No it doesn't. Have you seen the weapons military forces use?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The idea behind citizens owning guns is to allow them to defend themselves against the state.

It makes sense.

Really? How'd that theory work out during Bushes term when he basically tore away your civil rights?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No it doesn't. Have you seen the weapons military forces use?

So? Because the odds are incredibly against them, they should also get another handicap and not be allowed guns? That argument is just ridiculous, Sym.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So? Because the odds are incredibly against them, they should also get another handicap and not be allowed guns? That argument is just ridiculous, Sym.

So your saying people who live in counties with Gun Control are b*tches of the state?

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
So your saying people who live in counties with Gun Control are b*tches of the state?

Nah. People that live in countries with governments are bitches of the state.

Gun Control is just an additional item on the "*****" list.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So? Because the odds are incredibly against them, they should also get another handicap and not be allowed guns? That argument is just ridiculous, Sym.

No I'm just pointing out that the argument "Having an AK-47 is going to protect me when Obama rolls a tank through my church" is equally silly. The idea that owning a weapon helps you resist the government when it turns evil was rendered obsolete decades ago. I may be wrong but haven't most revolutions needed the help of the military to survive?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah. People that live in countries with governments are bitches of the state.

Gun Control is just an additional item on the "*****" list.

Organized, mainly non-violent oppression vs Roaming warlords with tanks n' shit

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