Originally posted by The Heap
I'm not from America, and I'm happy I'm not, so I've never been to what ever a "mall school" is.
A mall school is a martial arts school that can be found in a mall, a community center or a school, that purports to teach 'self-defense' but does not. You will see ads for such schools in the paper that claim they will make you be 'admired by your friends and feared by your enemies.'
Those schools also claim to be able to 'teach' you to beat up 'multiple opponents.'
They are also not limited to America ....it is just that when I am there for business i see kids with black belts .....
Originally posted by The Heap
And I didn't say the "zig-zag" approach was a whole fighting approach, so stop ****ing acting like I did. It was a technique. I don't need this crap from you when I know what I was taught, in a gym of 40+ students.
What you stated in your post is that the 'zig-zag' whatever can be used to take down multiple opponents (you even gave an illustration of how you would 'smash' an individual to your left with your forearm, then move to the right, and then even manage to give knee strikes. You also stated that you would do this with precise planning. I never said it was a system ....as you mentioned, it is a 'technique.'
What is hilarious is that either criminals in your country are a STUPID lot that just position themselves geometrically and wait for you to 'lash out' with forearms, or else you went to a Mall school.
One thing you will realize is that there is nothing precise about a real fight.
Originally posted by The Heap
And the whole "zig-zag" attack [forgotten it's proper name] would be used if the opponents actually were in those positions, duh.
The problem is that in a street fight they will not be. Criminals are vicious, not stupid!
Originally posted by The Heap
I'm thinking of taking up Krav Maga. It looks very interesting.
First LOGICAL post you've made in this entire post (better than saying I don't know what I am talking about when I probably have more years of MA experience than the number of years in which you were in this planet).
Yes, Krav Maga is great. It is also VERY boring, which is why it is a GREAT fighting system.
It is not flashy, has no fancy moves, and doesn't need someone to be an olympic athelete to perform (some systems, like muay thai, are effective ....but it requires someone to be very fit). Krav Maga is ugly, but if you take it under a good teacher and are disciplined, you will be able to defend yourself far faster than if you took some 'fancy' oriental style like Karate or Gung fu. Krav Maga works, and it works quick.
Just don't expect to fight 10 people as you stated in your previous post (where you said that in Krav Maga people are 'taught to take on 10 people from different directions'😉. BTW, it is interesting how you were saying that people in KM are taught that, yet in this post you are saying that you want to START taking KM.
Yet you were accusing me of not knowing what I am talking about, when I have a ni-dan in Shotokan, and a level 4 in Krav Maga!???!
Hilarious!
The good thing is that when you start Krav Maga, which you should, you will quickly learn what to do for REAL defense, and what belongs here in the comic forums.
Originally posted by The Heap
Taking down 10 people. It's not ALL at once, it's one at a time but as soon as you defeat one opponent it's straight on to fight the next without a rest. Why people always assume people can just spin around and name everybody in 10 seconds is beyond me. This isn't Batman.
You were the one who was talking about taking on multiple opponents. It was me who was saying that it is very hard for even trained martial artists to take on three real criminals in a real street fight under uncontrolled conditions, and IMPOSSIBLE to do that to 20 people.
Obviously, if people walk up to you one after another it is one thing, but that is not what we were talking about. In a street fight thugs will rush you ....and you will get beat down.
Originally posted by The Heap
Also, I quit Karate. I didn't enjoy it so I quit. This is why I plan on maybe going with Krav Maga or maybe Mua Tai KB.
First of all, since you were making a big deal of me spelling Ninja as Ninjas, the spelling of what you called 'Mua Tai' is actually 'Muay Thai.'
There is nothing bad with Karate ....it is just that many teachers are not that good, they teach something very diluted, and it will take you years before you can be effective in the streets (sure, you will be able to impress your friends in months, but those high kicks and reverse punches will get you knocked out in the streets).
Take Krav Maga ....it has no flash moves until you get to level 3, but even in the first level you will learn principles that will help you from the first lesson.
Muay thai is great, and it gives a full body workout like you cannot believe, but if you only had one choice the best would be Krav Maga.
Originally posted by The Heap
Now. Don't expect me to reply to anymore of your posts. I've been in debates all weak on this bored and it's taking it's toll.
Once again, let me correct you on your spelling (since you were so kind to tell me that I said Ninjas instead of Ninja). When you say you have been in debates 'all weak on this bored' you should have said that you have been in debates 'all week on this board.'
As for replying to my posts, I do not expect nor need you to. Furthermore, this was NOT a debate.
A debate indicates two or more people exchanging logical but differing points of view.
This was you giving pure unadulterated BS about martial arts you do not even know (Krav Maga being one, Karate another since you were obviously at a very basic level .....no matter the belt grade you were in), vs me who is telling you fact about something I know.
It was not a debate.
It was more like a 3rd grader telling his science teacher that the Teenage mutant Ninja Turtles actually exist!
Thus i was not debating you ....just correcting your gross inaccuracies.
As for you responding, the only reason I am doing this is so that other people who read my posts on this thread learn something:
i) Samurai could not beat up 20 'warriors' Even the greatest Samurai who lived, Miyamoto Musashi, was never doing that (if you want to know more on him read the Gorinosho - the Book of Five Rings ....great treatise that is similar to Sun Tzu's the Art of War)
ii) In a real street fight you will never be able to beat 20 men (a number you gave), Karate masters will not be able to beat 6 thugs (as you stated), and that in my experience I know some really amazing people who have managed to beat up 3 people, but even then they got injured quite badly and they did not think that they could replicate that at will
iii) I even made a comment about the fake Samurai swords people buy in malls ....dangerous sword-like-objects that are made of stainless steel and do not have full tangs. With the number of people injured by those things breaking each year, I might have stopped a person from buying a cheap 50 Dollar 'sword' and made them save some extra money and buy something better. If you want a plausible sword buy any Paul Chen sword that is above 300 Dollars ....it may not be as perfect as the 60,000 dollars a genuinely made Katana will cost, but the 300 dollar Paul chen sword is made of real carbon steel and has a full tang, and it will not fly off the handle and pierce your girlfriend!
iv) I even managed to give more information on Krav Maga, meaning that someone on this forum will wonder about KM and decide to try it out. And in the process, he will learn a very effective and simple fighting system that may save him in the future!
Thus, this had nothing to do with you. As far as I am concerned you are just another wannabe kid who thinks they know but are not even smart enough to admit when they are wrong.
I do not need your responses.
All I needed to do is pass information, and your silliness was a perfect vehicle for that.
At least you get to try Krav Maga ....maybe they will 'teach' you to 'take on 10 people on from different directions.'
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Again, I can't be hassled.
You go on for too long. BTW, theres a video on Youtube about taking on 10 people from different directions. They start in completly different places from different angles and charge you. Not all at once, per se, but it's basically what I was talking about.
I'm tired of argueing. You seem to know alot more than I thought, I'm tired.
I don't think I'll last in Muay Thai [thanks for giving the proper name] so if anything I'll give Krav Maga a try. If I can find a place in or close to York. And a good teacher.
Originally posted by The Heap
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.Again, I can't be hassled.
You go on for too long. BTW, theres a video on Youtube about taking on 10 people from different directions. They start in completly different places from different angles and charge you. Not all at once, per se, but it's basically what I was talking about.
I'm tired of argueing. You seem to know alot more than I thought, I'm tired.
I don't think I'll last in Muay Thai [thanks for giving the proper name] so if anything I'll give Krav Maga a try. If I can find a place in or close to York. And a good teacher.
As I said, I am not trying to argue with you (there is nothing to argue about). You either take what I am saying, or you consider it crap. Makes no difference to me.
As for Krav Maga ....it is a great system. Very simple and very effective. Muay Thai is also good, but it is extremely physical and not for everyone. If you have Jeet Kune Do in your area it is also a realistic system (although you have to be sure you get a good teacher). Kajukenbo is also very effective, although getting a teacher is next to impossible.
Anyone of the above, with a good teacher and good dedication, will make you able to more or less take care of yourself in many situations. The most important thing is not the techniques, and not even the principles, but the realism in it. They make the training very difficult in order to make it as close as it can get to the street. All include anti-weapon training (for instance Krav Maga and Kajukenbo teach gun disarms, although those are for situations when there is no option ....such a move could easily get you killed. The most important anti-weapon principles you need to concentrate on are those against knives ....a knife attack is more vicious and dangerous than most people can believe).
Anyways, best luck to you and God bless.
Originally posted by spetznaz
As I said, I am not trying to argue with you (there is nothing to argue about). You either take what I am saying, or you consider it crap. Makes no difference to me.As for Krav Maga ....it is a great system. Very simple and very effective. Muay Thai is also good, but it is extremely physical and not for everyone. If you have Jeet Kune Do in your area it is also a realistic system (although you have to be sure you get a good teacher). Kajukenbo is also very effective, although getting a teacher is next to impossible.
Anyone of the above, with a good teacher and good dedication, will make you able to more or less take care of yourself in many situations. The most important thing is not the techniques, and not even the principles, but the realism in it. They make the training very difficult in order to make it as close as it can get to the street. All include anti-weapon training (for instance Krav Maga and Kajukenbo teach gun disarms, although those are for situations when there is no option ....such a move could easily get you killed. The most important anti-weapon principles you need to concentrate on are those against knives ....a knife attack is more vicious and dangerous than most people can believe).
Anyways, best luck to you and God bless.
Thank you very much. Sorry for being a Needle Dick. [LOL]
How can one be certain that he has a real/decent teacher?
Originally posted by The Heap
Thank you very much. Sorry for being a Needle Dick. [LOL]How can one be certain that he has a real/decent teacher?
The Heap, one way to find out what teacher is better than the other is for you to go to different dojo's and watch for yourself as well as as ask the teacher(s) questions. Once you do that than choose one or several martial arts you want to learn. Take it from someone who has trained in the martial arts, every teacher trains you differently. Every teacher will use different methods on you. It's all about finding someone you alone are comfortable with so you can properly learn what you want to learn.
Originally posted by The Heap
Thank you very much. Sorry for being a Needle Dick. [LOL]How can one be certain that he has a real/decent teacher?
Do what Bruceskywalker said .....visit a bunch of schools, watch the type of instruction given, look at the students in the class, look at how the teacher's style conforms with your learning style, and after that follow what 'feels right' for you.
After all, the important thing is for you to be in an environment where you are actually learning. No matter how effective a style or system or set of principles may be, it is all useless if it is not getting into you. Thus it is very important that you choose something that you feel is a great fit.
Any good teacher will allow you to stand by the side and watch one lesson (ask nicely and they will allow you to watch for one class), and that should make you decide what school/teacher/style is best for you.
Do that and you can make a very informed choice.
Once again, best of luck and God bless.
I'm of the belief that it'd be near impossible to successfully be Batman. With technology advancing the way it is, it'd only be a matter of time before your identity is discovered. Then there's the possibility of you actually getting killed. Who's to say criminals wouldn't get wise to you and purposely stage an event to take you out? This is the real world, not a comic book.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
I'm of the belief that it'd be near impossible to successfully be Batman. With technology advancing the way it is, it'd only be a matter of time before your identity is discovered. Then there's the possibility of you actually getting killed. Who's to say criminals wouldn't get wise to you and purposely stage an event to take you out? This is the real world, not a comic book.
Good call, Markus. It would be pretty impossible.
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