Why force, because of the "Uber amulet blasts?" Apparently he hurts him the more he uses them and they become harder to control. I think Dooku would outclass him here. Dooku is, after all, one of the absolute best Jedi in its entire history and an even greater Sith. You don't earn that reputation by not doing much. And that would also include Kun's era. Kun doesn't have that impressive of a resume anyway.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Why force, because of the "Uber amulet blasts?"
Yes, that could certainly be one [out of many] ways to win. Dooku is not even shown having knowledge about such tools to begin with. Not to mention, even if he attempted to defend against them, they double in strength with each pulse.
But then again, Kun has a myriad of combat effective abilities that died with him. Please inform me how the Count plans on countering these techniques when he hasn't even so much as heard of them.
Apparently he hurts him the more he uses them and they become harder to control.
It seems you've been putting too much stock into what Styles would like to believe. For reference, Kun was still able to direct the beams before he gained any intimate knowledge of Sadow or how to operate the gauntlet. He has now not only mastered Naga Sadow's teachings, but had a gigantic leap in power to the point where he becomes one of the most powerful Sith ever to exist (which happened in a mere few months, a testament to Exar's learning potential).
There's absolutely no reason to assume that he cannot control the beams and that they would hurt or destroy him.
I think Dooku would outclass him here.
I think Dooku would be shitting his pants and wishing he had Sidious' help. The difference between my assumption and your's is that mine is backed up my evidence (see above, see below).
Dooku is, after all, one of the absolute best Jedi in its entire history and an even greater Sith.
And this means proves he'd be able to "outclass" Kun how exactly? The same Kun who didn't need decades to achieve such a status, but a mere few months.
You don't earn that reputation by not doing much.
Apparently you do, considering Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar are named as among the greatest swordsmen in the Order's history despite doing jack shit besides getting owned by Sidious.
And that would also include Kun's era.
Which is totally irrelevant. The statement regarding his stature never implies he is better or more powerful than Kun simply because he's before him.
Kun doesn't have that impressive of a resume anyway.
Right:
Kun is shown capable of freezing and controlling possibly near millions (hundreds of thousands at the very least) of sentient beings, all of whom are of different species. He's even doing such while he's toying with his former master, Vodo - meaning his concentration wouldn't have been completely focused on the task of keeping them watching.
Here we see Exar resisting the effects of the "most devastating attack" the light side of the Force has to offer. An attack performed by Odan Urr who was proficient in the Force, which is noted by his dialogue that he stripped Ancient Sith of their Force powers. In response to the attack, he owns the thousand year old Jedi Master with a wave of his hand.
He also casually shrugs off Aleema's Sith magic and counters with his own, which knocks her out cold.
As seen above, he stalemated Ulic Qel-Droma in a duel that is described as being able to go on for hours. This would be the man who defended himself against an enraged Jedi tapping into the dark side of the Force while being stripped of the Force and out of practice for years (among numerous other feats which secure him as one of the greatest lightsaber duelists in the history of Star Wars).
- In Dark Apprentice, he renders virtually every defense a post-DE Luke knew (who learned from DE Sidious, Yoda, Obi-Wan, etc.) completely ineffective as he rips Luke's spirit from his body. Which was done as a 4,000 year old, half-mad spirit.
- He deep fries Gantoris from the inside out as that same weakened spirit.
- He chokes a dozen of Luke's students, which again happens as a spirit.
- Is so powerful that the ground beneath him shakes when he walks on it.
- Created his own unique weapon and thus, style. It would take intricate knowledge of lightsaber combat to be able to do such a thing.
- Has ancient Sith knowledge that he and he alone possesses.
- Was able to defeat his six hundred year old master, Vodo Siosk-Baas while he was still an apprentice (it's true he was put on his ass the first pass though).
- Became one of the most powerful entities in Star Wars in a few months, which as I said above, speaks volumes for his learning potential.
I can't think of anymore off the top of my head, but try knowing what you're talking about next time, my dear. 😛
Originally posted by Advent- In Dark Apprentice, he renders virtually every defense a post-DE Luke knew (who learned from DE Sidious, Yoda, Obi-Wan, etc.) completely ineffective as he rips Luke's spirit from his body. Which was done as a 4,000 year old, half-mad spirit.
- He deep fries Gantoris from the inside out as that same weakened spirit.
- He chokes a dozen of Luke's students, which again happens as a spirit.
- Is so powerful that the ground beneath him shakes when he walks on it.
- Created his own unique weapon and thus, style. It would take intricate knowledge of lightsaber combat to be able to do such a thing.
- Has ancient Sith knowledge that he and he alone possesses.
- Was able to defeat his six hundred year old master, Vodo Siosk-Baas while he was still an apprentice (it's true he was put on his ass the first pass though).
- Became one of the most powerful entities in Star Wars in a few months, which as I said above, speaks volumes for his learning potential.I can't think of anymore off the top of my head, but try knowing what you're talking about next time, my dear. 😛 [/B]
I heard this "ground shaking" bullshit from the likes of Janus and IKC, but I didn't expect it from you. Please show me a source that states this, and I hope you're not referring to the rodian above Yavin IV who possibly has no idea what he's talking about.
Originally posted by AdventYes, that could certainly be one [out of many] ways to win. Dooku is not even shown having knowledge about such tools to begin with. Not to mention, even if he attempted to defend against them, they double in strength with each pulse.
But then again, Kun has a myriad of combat effective abilities that died with him. Please inform me how the Count plans on countering these techniques when he hasn't even so much as heard of them.
It seems you've been putting too much stock into what Styles would like to believe. For reference, Kun was still able to direct the beams before he gained any intimate knowledge of Sadow or how to operate the gauntlet. He has now not only mastered Naga Sadow's teachings, but had a gigantic leap in power to the point where he becomes one of the most powerful Sith ever to exist (which happened in a mere few months, a testament to Exar's learning potential).
And this means proves he'd be able to "outclass" Kun how exactly? The same Kun who didn't need decades to achieve such a status, but a mere few months.
Apparently you do, considering Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar are named as among the greatest swordsmen in the Order's history despite doing jack shit besides getting owned by Sidious.
Right:
Kun is shown capable of freezing and controlling possibly near millions (hundreds of thousands at the very least) of sentient beings,
all of whom are of different species. He's even doing such while he's toying with his former master, Vodo - meaning his concentration wouldn't have been completely focused on the task of keeping them watching.
Here we see Exar resisting the effects of the "most devastating attack" the light side of the Force has to offer. An attack performed by Odan Urr who was proficient in the Force, which is noted by his dialogue that he stripped Ancient Sith of their Force powers.
In response to the attack, he owns the thousand year old Jedi Master with a wave of his hand.
He also casually shrugs off Aleema's Sith magic and counters with his own, which knocks her out cold.
As seen above, he stalemated Ulic Qel-Droma in a duel that is described as being able to go on for hours. This would be the man who defended himself against an enraged Jedi tapping into the dark side of the Force while being stripped of the Force and out of practice for years (among numerous other feats which secure him as one of the greatest lightsaber duelists in the history of Star Wars).
- In Dark Apprentice, he renders virtually every defense a post-DE Luke knew (who learned from DE Sidious, Yoda, Obi-Wan, etc.) completely ineffective as he rips Luke's spirit from his body. Which was done as a 4,000 year old, half-mad spirit.
- He deep fries Gantoris from the inside out as that same weakened spirit.
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- He chokes a dozen of Luke's students, which again happens as a spirit.
- Is so powerful that the ground beneath him shakes when he walks on it.
- Created his own unique weapon and thus, style. It would take intricate knowledge of lightsaber combat to be able to do such a thing.
- Has ancient Sith knowledge that he and he alone possesses.
- Was able to defeat his six hundred year old master, Vodo Siosk-Baas while he was still an apprentice (it's true he was put on his ass the first pass though).
- Became one of the most powerful entities in Star Wars in a few months, which as I said above, speaks volumes for his learning potential.
I can't think of anymore off the top of my head, but try knowing what you're talking about next time, my dear. 😛 [/B]
I don't see where we are supposed to be impressed by Exar Kun's feats against Ulic Qel Droma off of the assumption that he is one of the best ever. The omniscient narrator of the RotS novelization and other sources have already stated that Dooku is one of the best there ever was. No such statement for Qel Droma.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Let's see Vodo's godly feats now. Somehow...I don't think they exist.
Fighting Kun on two separate occasions armed only with his walking stick. Making said wooden stick lightsabre-resistant (not completely immune, but able to withstand repeated strikes that were both powerful and precise) purely through his command of the Force.
Maybe not 'godly,' but still pretty darned impressive.
OT- About that Odan Urr fight, I'm curious, just how did Kun kill him? I got the impression that Kun used the Force to stop his heart. Anyone have any thoughts?
Originally posted by Gideon
I don't see where we are supposed to be impressed by Exar Kun's feats against Ulic Qel Droma off of the assumption that he is one of the best ever. The omniscient narrator of the RotS novelization and other sources have already stated that Dooku is one of the best there ever was. No such statement for Qel Droma.
Facts speak louder than statements.
Qel was able to hold off an enraged Jedi who was going all out trying to kill him. At the time, Qel had been blinded to the Force and hadn't even held a lightsabre for a decade.
And when he was at the peak of his prowess, Kun matched him perfectly.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Facts speak louder than statements.Qel was able to hold off an enraged Jedi who was going all out trying to kill him. At the time, Qel had been blinded to the Force and hadn't even held a lightsabre for a decade.
And when he was at the peak of his prowess, Kun matched him perfectly.
Actually, they don't. Statements issued by omniscient narrator = irrevocable fact. Assumptions based off of feats are open to interpretation.
