he would have killed bounty hunter/jedi killer Aurra Sing if Allana didn't get in the middle of their fight,
Not a particularly impressive feat, as I'm sure that Sing is sub-par at best.
he injured LOTF Luke,
So did Lumiya, yet she isn't hailed as a saber god.
and in over a minute at the very most he was able to survive a 4v1 surprise attack on Coruscant by killing one of his attackers and injuring Kyle Katarn.
And Bane was able to win an 8v1 fight against trained Sith assassins, toy with someone hailed as the Sith'ari (he could have won in the first 2 strokes) and Disintergrate people and metal etc
But I can see what you mean and yes, Bane wouldn't exactly be able just pimpslap him around, but really I see him as being on a lower tier and about level with Exar Kun.
God, I hate listing those feats.
So yea Bane would have a lot of difficulty with Caedus who can take tremendous injury and still continue to fight, which could surprise Bane if he thinks his opponent is dead too early as in Rot.
Bane can take saber thusts to the chest and keep going, so I think he wins the endurence test. Plus he survived a 300 foot free fall.
Sounds very much like how he killed 2 of the jedi masters who were sent to arrest him in seconds, that was a testament to his skill not luck.
Surprising two people then stabbing them in the chest is not skill, it's speed and Kun/Qel'Droma are strong enough in the force to be able to not be Blitzed like that.
I mean, an Action-man figurine with superspeed could do what Sidious did.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Not a particularly impressive feat, as I'm sure that Sing is sub-par at best.So did Lumiya, yet she isn't hailed as a saber god.
And Bane was able to win an 8v1 fight against trained Sith assassins, toy with someone hailed as the Sith'ari (he could have won in the first 2 strokes) and Disintergrate people and metal etc
But I can see what you mean and yes, Bane wouldn't exactly be able just pimpslap him around, but really I see him as being on a lower tier and about level with Exar Kun.God, I hate listing those feats.
Bane can take saber thusts to the chest and keep going, so I think he wins the endurence test. Plus he survived a 300 foot free fall.
Surprising two people then stabbing them in the chest is not skill, it's speed and Kun/Qel'Droma are strong enough in the force to be able to not be Blitzed like that.
I mean, an Action-man figurine with superspeed could do what Sidious did.
Look Exodus, nobody may like Caedus except me, but you've still got to take into consideration his feats.
Taking down Aurra Sing: She killed many many Jedi, something that's impressive for a relatively non-Force-user.
Challenging LOTF Luke: That's a hell of a feat right there.
Beating Kyle Katarn and three other Jedi: People like you are always going on about how great Katarn is, but Caedus pwned him and three other Jedi at the same time. All while he was still injured from his fight with Luke.
And if you're going to try bringing up endurance feats, nobody that's not a Yuuzhan Vong (or Sion) can compare with Caedus. He's immune to pain and has gotten loads of injuries but just shrugged them off. Hell he got beaten up by Luke, stuck in a Vong Embrace of Pain, and had a vibroblade stuck in his back, then still reached for his lightsaber.
Don't forget he's got some pretty good Force senses (Jaina was afraid of using the Force because he could sense her by simply her use of the Force), he's also got Shatterpoint, he can hide his presence in the Force, and he can remove/give the Force to people just by touching them.
You may not like Caedus, but Bane can't compare to him. Especially when a bit of Force lightning can kill the orbalisks and release their deadly toxins right into Bane's body.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Not a particularly impressive feat, as I'm sure that Sing is sub-par at best.
I'm no expert on her but,Sing was a former padawan that left the order and became a bounty hunter and has killed at least 5 jedi knights during the clone wars, and almost killed 2 more if not for Aayla Secura so I fail to see how she is below average like you claim.
So did Lumiya, yet she isn't hailed as a saber god.
I believe Luke wasn't exactly trying to kill her nor was he paying full attention to her at the time and when Luke wanted to, he tooled her.
And Bane was able to win an 8v1 fight against trained Sith assassins
Yes because the 8 sith assassins are really great duelists especially when their initial attacks fails to kill.
toy with someone hailed as the Sith'ari (he could have won in the first 2 strokes) and Disintergrate people and metal etc
Bane can take saber thusts to the chest and keep going, so I think he wins the endurence test. Plus he survived a 300 foot free fall.
Yea he kinda has the orbalisks to thank for that but my point is that Caedus has shown to take an bad injury(pain too) and continue to fight where others might not be able to get back up, when he lost his hand/arm he continued to fight while others wouldn't and my point is that Bane would need to make sure his opponent is dead (not that I see him killing off his guy before one of the others finishes ulic)
or there could be a RoT repeat.
Surprising two people then stabbing them in the chest is not skill, it's speed
and Kun/Qel'Droma are strong enough in the force to be able to not be Blitzed like that.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
I believe Luke wasn't exactly trying to kill her nor was he paying full attention to her at the time and when Luke wanted to, he tooled her.
And with only one saber, impressive since apparently you need two sabers to challenge Lumiya's lightwhip. And while he was still grieving from Mara.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
And here I was thinking that Bane was a pretty smart guy with a [b]Lightsaber, capable of blocking that attack. Guess I must look foolish now, huh?
And, btw, Bane is actually as powerfull as Sidious, or at least as near enough to survive long enough. But try not to argue with me, I'd hate to have to whip you like a puppy in front of all these people, bait, bait.
Well that was good, here's mine: Uhh...yes they are, and Caedus might give Bane some trouble, but gets disintergrated in my scenario.
That could be one scenario of course, but Sids would have to get very lucky at the start to catch those two right as they trip up for the first time.
But I think that Bane and Sids would zero in on each other as the biggest threat, neither one being strategically retarded. [/B]
I don't want to jump in the middle here, but unless Aurra Sing is considerably more powerful by LotF than she was in the PT, defeating her isn't that great. She is pretty powerful, however, I am certain any of the combatants in this thread would beat her pretty quickly (again, I am assuming she is on the same level in LotF as she was in the PT, and I could be wrong).
The only reason I mentioned Aurra Sing was because of how Allana kept getting in the way making her a target for Aurra and Jacen had to protect her when he had the advantage over her. It's not his best feat or close to it by any means but she is not exactly a exactly a complete an udder weakling. So anyway we can continue discussing how Exodus is a moron and how team 2 wins.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
The only reason I mentioned Aurra Sing was because of how Allana kept getting in the way making her a target for Aurra and Jacen had to protect her when he had the advantage over her. It's not his best feat or close to it by any means but she is not exactly a exactly a complete an udder weakling. So anyway we can continue discussing how Exodus is a moron and how team 2 wins.
Agreed. I think Allana was a good decision for a plot device to make Jacen a Sith, but she's become nothing more than a nuisance. And to think the next novel will give her a co-starring role...(shudder)
Hey, does anyone have an idea when the LOTF novels will be printed in Japan? I'm wondering, since the Japanese covers are always so much better than ours, and we might get to see a lot more of the characters than the North American/European editions show.
You may not like Caedus, but Bane can't compare to him. Especially when a bit of Force lightning can kill the orbalisks and release their deadly toxins right into Bane's body.
You may not like Bane, but Caedus can't compare to him. Especially when a bit of Force lightning can reduce him to ash. Remind me, has Caedus ever done that? Or been able to liquidate bone?
Yes because the 8 sith assassins are really great duelists especially when their initial attacks fails to kill.
Put Caedus in that position and he'd have died.
Sirak's defeat was impressive compared to what happened the last time they dueled.
Yeah, and Caedus beating Katarn and co is impressive compared to how well He did 6 months into his training.
Is his lightsaber as big as you like to imagine his dick is? Because Palpatine is capable of generating enough of a blast to wipe out an entirer Batallions of stormies
And yet Mace Windu managed to block it. If he can, Bane can.
Considering Palpatine, as of ROTS is already confirmed as the most powerful Sith in over a thousand years...DE leaves Bane in the dust.
Not that I'm agreeing with you, but power doesn't equal instant wins. Look at Boba Fett. No force power yet still has killed a hell of a lot of Jedi etc.
Other Factors apply.
And one move Caedus is good at: Slapping a palm against the opponent's stomach. And then frying them with force lightning.
Let's see Bane deal with that.
Caedus wouldn't automatically do that, he doesn't know Banes weaknesses enough. But how about this, Bane, with his superior speed, grabs the hand and rips it from the socket.
Anyway, This is pointless as I'm saying that those two wouldn't fight. Bane wouldn't let Sids demolish his team and would fight him. Caedus wouldn't be strong enough to fight the Amulet blasts and the other two are too unknown to argue for.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
You may not like Bane, but Caedus can't compare to him. Especially when a bit of Force lightning can reduce him to ash. Remind me, has Caedus ever done that? Or been able to liquidate bone?
Put Caedus in that position and he'd have died.
Yeah, and Caedus beating Katarn and co is impressive compared to how well [b]He did 6 months into his training.
And yet Mace Windu managed to block it. If he can, Bane can.
Not that I'm agreeing with you, but power doesn't equal instant wins. Look at Boba Fett. No force power yet still has killed a hell of a lot of Jedi etc.
Other Factors apply.
Caedus wouldn't automatically do that, he doesn't know Banes weaknesses enough.
But how about this, Bane, with his superior speed, grabs the hand and rips it from the socket.
Anyway, This is pointless as I'm saying that those two wouldn't fight. Bane wouldn't let Sids demolish his team and would fight him.
Caedus wouldn't be strong enough to fight the Amulet blasts and the other two are too unknown to argue for. [/B]
LOL @ Exodus. Caedus is a friggin' beast. Team Two outclasses Team One for the aforementioned points. Palpatine can generate veritable storms of Force lightning that can destroy the protection afforded by the orbalisks and can disintegrate Bane's lightsaber hilt. Caedus takes a shitton of punishment and possesses the shatterpoint charism. Team Two outclasses Team One.
A 'bit?' Caedus is described as a master of the Force and one of the most powerful Sith Lords, I doubt Bane can just break through his defenses.
And I doubt that Caedus can just break through Bane's defences like you implied. I know that it wouldn't be instantatious but with a nice long surstained blast, I feel that Bane could break through. He's been shown to be able to shred through the defences of powerful forceusers before, like it was paper, even when they were BMed.
And he is able to take on Luke in a duel
That wasn't a straight up fight, Jacen used advantages that he wouldn't have here. In a fair fight, Luke would demolish him.
And what'll Bane do if Palpatine destroys his saber? He showed he can do that with a flick of his finger in DE
He'd block him. I mean, by the end of the second book Bane has shown himself to be capable of disintergrate Multiple Techno-beast's which are far bigger that a measly lightsaber and still fight for hours afterwards.
'Hell of a lot?' Let's name some. Go on. A Jedi Boba Fett killed...who was it, exactly?
Jaina Solo says that he killed 'more jedi that anyone else'. Now I know that she isn't a hugely credible source but the mere fact that she would think this shows he must have killed alot. Especially when she knows all about her Grandaddy.
Like the opponent rendered useless once you kill some orbalisks with Force Lightning?
Like your opponent rendered useless once you reduce them to Ash? And the lightning has to be a certain voltage to kill the orbalisks. And even then Bane is adept at combatting toxin.
Point?
Point was that Bane was only 6 months into his training and so his later versions shouldn't be judged on that event.
Sure he would. It's what he does in close quarters to give himself breathing room.
He did it Once. It's hardly his signiture move.
With the Force, he's able to crush a human body into pulp, too. With just a slight exertion.
When?
He wouldn't have a choice. The moment he turns to face Palpatine, he's got a storm of lightning. Enough to wipe out a hundred storm troopers at once by ANH alone. How exactly is he going to block that with one Lightsaber?
Ermm... You know, by turning it on and waving it about. How does anyone block Force Lightning? Perhaps he could crouch and catch it. Just because he can do it larger, doesn't mean that it can't be blocked.
Anyway the lightning would only get his feet and a smart person (Bane) could easily angle the blade to compensate for this by, say, holding it out a smige further.
Plus Bane might be able to block it with a force shield, Like Farfalla tried to.
Yawn. Show me those amulet blasts working against a being capable of a Force Shield or reflection.
Snore. Show me Caedus ever blocking something that can disintergrate people and smash huge holes in walls.
Or how about when Exar goes to raise his hand, Caedus blows him back with a Force wave, or crushes his arm?
Thats stupid. Caedus isn't that much more powerfull then Kun, to be able to instantly get through his shield, if at all.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
And I doubt that Caedus can just break through Bane's defences like you implied. I know that it wouldn't be instantatious but with a nice long surstained blast, I feel that Bane could break through. He's been shown to be able to shred through the defences of powerful forceusers before, like it was paper, even when they were BMed.
That wasn't a straight up fight, Jacen used advantages that he wouldn't have here. In a fair fight, Luke would demolish him.
He'd block him. I mean, by the end of the second book Bane has shown himself to be capable of disintergrate [b]Multiple Techno-beast's which are far bigger that a measly lightsaber and still fight for hours afterwards.
Jaina Solo says that he killed 'more jedi that anyone else'. Now I know that she isn't a hugely credible source but the mere fact that she would think this shows he must have killed alot. Especially when she knows all about her Grandaddy.
Like your opponent rendered useless once you reduce them to Ash? And the lightning has to be a certain voltage to kill the orbalisks. And even then Bane is adept at combatting toxin.
Point was that Bane was only 6 months into his training and so his later versions shouldn't be judged on that event.
He did it Once. It's hardly his signiture move.
When?
Ermm... You know, by turning it on and waving it about. How does anyone block Force Lightning?
ouch and catch it. Just because he can do it larger, doesn't mean that it can't be blocked.
Anyway the lightning would only get his feet and a smart person (Bane) could easily angle the blade to compensate for this by, say, holding it out a smige further.
Plus Bane might be able to block it with a force shield, Like Farfalla tried to.
Snore. Show me Caedus ever blocking something that can disintergrate people and smash huge holes in walls.
Thats stupid. Caedus isn't that much more powerfull then Kun, to be able to instantly get through his shield, if at all. [/B]
I know LS already pwned your argument but, oh well for you I'll just touch on a few
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
And I doubt that Caedus can just break through Bane's defences like you implied. I know that it wouldn't be instantatious but with a nice long surstained blast, I feel that Bane could break through. He's been shown to be able to shred through the defences of powerful forceusers before, like it was paper, even when they were BMed.
Caedus certainly has the skills necessary - He is a talented lightsaber duelist,shatterpoint,he knows how use his entire body in a fight and not just a lightsaber in a fight(read his duels with luke and Jaina), he has force lightning and he even separated Ben and reconnected him from the force by touching him. So does stand a chance to defeat Bane on his own.
That wasn't a straight up fight, Jacen used advantages that he wouldn't have here. In a fair fight, Luke would demolish him.
Jacen pointed at a vibrodagger lying on the deck, about two meters in front of Ben. Luke didn't know what it was doing there-whether Ben had attacked Jacen with it, or whether Jacen had been using it on Ben-but he started to accept that the horrible scene was real. He was, in fact, standing in the doorway of a secret cabin filled with Yuu-zhan Vong torture devices, watching his twisted nephew taunt his captive son.
Luke didn't give Jacen a chance to surrender. He just sprang.
Ben's jaw dropped, and Jacen started to spin, snatching his lightsaber from his belt and igniting it in the same motion, bringing the emerald blade around high to protect his heart and head.
But Luke was attacking low, striking for the kidney to disable in the most painful way possible. Jacen's eyes widened. He flipped his lightsaber down in the same moment Luke's met flesh.
The tip sank a few centimeters, drawing a pained hiss as it touched a kidney, then Jacen's blade made contact and knocked it aside. Even that small wound would have left most humans paralyzed with agony. But Jacen thrived on pain, fed on it to make himself stronger and faster. He simply completed his pivot and landed a rib-crunching roundhouse.
Jaina Solo says that he killed 'more jedi that anyone else'. Now I know that she isn't a hugely credible source but the mere fact that she would think this shows he must have killed alot. Especially when she knows all about her Grandaddy.
And even then Bane is adept at combatting toxin.