General Grievous vs. Darth Malak

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General Grievous vs. Darth Malak

Grievous is NOT crushed by Mace Windu's. He is healthy.

is something preventing malak from duplicating what mace did?

Originally posted by Galan007
is something preventing malak from duplicating what mace did?

In fairness to GG,I think(someone correct me if I'm wrong) he was on a gunship standing out in between the doorway as it rose so he didn't have room to maneuver. Malak needs to get him with the force. Malak would be stupid to try and beat Grievous in saber combat.

Originally posted by Galan007
is something preventing malak from duplicating what mace did?
Malak has to engage Grievous like Obi-Wan did. He can't Force choke Grievous.

is force choke neutral or dark side force power?

Technically anyone can use any Force powers, it's just a matter of the purpose or your motive. Darth Vader force chokes to kill or to torment people (like the rebel in A New Hope or the guy in the conference in ANH). Mace did it because he wanted to attack Grievous (merely a good guy attacks bad guy kind of thing). As long as Mace didn't do it to fuel his anger and to fuel his urge for revenge. He did it simply because he's a Jedi and they needed to capture grievous

right force choke is just force tk pressing the trachea and force tk is nuetral

i say malak takes this, he can just shock gg

Force Choke is considered to be a dark side power. You people are forgetting Mace uses Vaapad, which I believe is, the only reason why he may use Force Choke against his opponents.

its still just another use of force tk with DS connotations

Originally posted by Sup3rman1521
Malak has to engage Grievous like Obi-Wan did. He can't Force choke Grievous.
so is this just a straight lightsaber battle [ie. malak can't use force powers of any kind?]. if that's the case, i believe grievous could take this.

on a sidenote, mace didn't use force-choke on gg. he used force-crush on his chest.

Grievous was a worthless loser in the movies, wasn't he.

Meh, Malak I'd say.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Grievous was a worthless loser in the movies, wasn't he.
yes he was. however, the version of gg being used here, hadn't already been owned by mace - so he's at his height [ie. during the clone wars series].

The fact that Grievous lost to Obi-Wan doesn't make him a worthless loser; Obi-Wan's style, as said by Mace Windu in the RotS novelization, was said to be the ideal style to utilize against Grievous, indeed, making Obi-Wan more effective against Grievous than even otherwise more accomplished swordsmen such as Anakin, Mace, or Yoda.

The novelization continues and states that Grievous could go up to 20 strikes per second, which overloaded Obi-Wan's defenses and forced him to resort to a different move in order to de-hand Grievous. He's NOT worthless in the movies.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
The fact that Grievous lost to Obi-Wan doesn't make him a worthless loser; Obi-Wan's style, as said by Mace Windu in the RotS novelization, was said to be the ideal style to utilize against Grievous, indeed, making Obi-Wan more effective against Grievous than even otherwise more accomplished swordsmen such as Anakin, Mace, or Yoda.

The novelization continues and states that Grievous could go up to 20 strikes per second, which overloaded Obi-Wan's defenses and forced him to resort to a different move in order to de-hand Grievous. He's NOT worthless in the movies.

i'm glad to hear the novelization extrapolates on gg, and his loss a bit. however, the opinion that gg was quite worthless/feeble in the movie still holds strong imo - as none of that was actually explained.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
The novelization continues and states that Grievous could go up to 20 strikes per second

Wasn't it 16 strikes?

Why? The novel provides a behind-the-scenes sort of explanation; it's all perfectly canonical (the novel was personally reviewed by George Lucas), and therefore, is relevant to this debate. Movie Grievous = Novel Grievous, which proves that Grievous is not a pathetic weakling.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Movie Grievous = Novel Grievous, which proves that Grievous is not a pathetic weakling.
what i'm saying is that the movie painted an entirely different picture of gg, than the one you've explained from the novel. as far as what we actually saw in the movie, gg was only a notch or two above pathetic. he certinly had been downgraded since the CW series [after mace's crush maneuver]. remember i'm only speaking from the movie's portrayal.

Wait, how seriously did Mace affect Grevious?
And Malak uses force lightning to kill Grevious. If its sabers only, i think Grevious has a good chance.

It's saber combat only

In sabers only, Greivous can strike something like 23 times per second. Malak gets raped.