Well, if Revan can keep Mace at arms distance long enough with nasty Darkside attacks for Anakin to beat Dooku (he can) then they can double team Sammy.
More likely is that Revan won't and will fall (unknown Saber talents) and that it will be a showdown between Mace and Ani. Mace would probably win that. Although by ABC logic Anakin>Dooku=Mace.
Hmmmm....
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Well, if Revan can keep Mace at arms distance long enough with nasty Darkside attacks for Anakin to beat Dooku (he can) then they can double team Sammy.
More likely is that Revan won't and will fall (unknown Saber talents) and that it will be a showdown between Mace and Ani. Mace would probably win that. Although by ABC logic Anakin>Dooku=Mace.Hmmmm....
The fight with Revan and Mace will most likely last longer than the Dooku and Anakin fight. There is no way Revan or Mace will take each other out quickly.
This leads to what I said before it all depends if Anakin or Dooku come out victorious.
Originally posted by Jbill311
B/c of Vapaad's superconducting loop, Mace will have an easier time with Revan than Dooku would have. I see Mace mopping the floor with revan.
You are referring to saber battle which is a by default win for Mace but mopping the floor you got to be kidding.
Mace is powerful indeed but lacks much force knowledge in comparison to Revan. Mace defeated Sidious in a saber battle that is it. Sidious stop trying to kill Mace once Anakin appeared.
Remember Revan is a skilled duelist and even if Mace is better and his style may not be known to Revan that does not mean he is going to wipe the floor with Revan. Revan has many force techniques that are not known to Mace. I do not see Mace surviving a force drain.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Mace takes out Revan with his Vapaad, and a Dark Side Anakin WILL defeat Dooku. After that, Mace takes out Anakin with Vapaad. Brevity all around.
Really you have not address how Mace would survive a force drain. Also a dark side Anakin could not defeat Obi Wan and you say he will Dooku, get real.
Originally posted by Kotor3Cuz you know, Dooku was a master at Soresu. Dooku had fought beside Anakin for three years and gotten to know his way of fighting, his way of thinking. Dooku being defeated by a Light Anakin wouldn't be defeated by a Dark Anakin. Yup, real is where I am not, and you sir, are.
Really you have not address how Mace would survive a force drain. Also a dark side Anakin could not defeat Obi Wan and you say he will Dooku, get real.
And don't go asking me how Mace would survive an attack of the controversial Force Drain by the controversially under-sourced and under-developed Darth Revan. You wanna wax "prove this, prove that?" Start by providing some proof and some MUCH needed statistics to Revan's power.
Here is what we know of Revan's force powers. We know that is really strong in the force and he had a vast knowledge as Bane mentions. T
The only known offensive force techniques that we have evidence of Revan using are the force storm(lightning),force choke,the force storm ritual that Bane and the brotherhood uses and the thought bomb, the latter two are also completely useless in any duel.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Cuz you know, Dooku was a master at Soresu. Dooku had fought beside Anakin for three years and gotten to know his way of fighting, his way of thinking. Dooku being defeated by a Light Anakin wouldn't be defeated by a Dark Anakin. Yup, real is where I am not, and you sir, are.And don't go asking me how Mace would survive an attack of the controversial Force Drain by the controversially under-sourced and under-developed Darth Revan. You wanna wax "prove this, prove that?" Start by providing some proof and some MUCH needed statistics to Revan's power.
What you just said makes no sense. So let me get this straight Obi Wan did not know Dooku style and had no knowlege of his fighting style. Oh right did not Dooku train Obi Wan's master.
Anakin as a dark user did not have his head on straight and that is the main reason why he lost. Knowing his style would do nothing but help Obi Wan survive for a time. Anakin was not the same as when he was a light user. Dooku would definitely use Anakin's arrogance and stupidity aganist him.
I see you need to see everything on paper before it becomes real to you. I am already having this discussion with Elite on another thread. So tell me Revan's student or apprentice Malak knew the technique but Revan did not. Malak who went to the same places as Revan, Revan who actually went there first did not know the technique. Revan the one who hungred for knowledge some how learn many deadly techniques but missed force drain.
But Keria and Malak was able to. I do not remember Malak or Keria learning any new techiques that was describe as unknown to Revan. Only Nihilius was describe as taking it to a whole new level.
You are excusing because you don't have a custscene or statistic book when everything points to him knowing the technique. Your I don't know is not good enough.
Originally posted by Kotor3I'm gonna have to answer this one in baby steps, cuz you're losing me.
What you just said makes no sense. So let me get this straight Obi Wan did not know Dooku style and had no knowlege of his fighting style. Oh right did not Dooku train Obi Wan's master.Anakin as a dark user did not have his head on straight and that is the main reason why he lost. Knowing his style would do nothing but help Obi Wan survive for a time. Anakin was not the same as when he was a light user. Dooku would definitely use Anakin's arrogance and stupidity aganist him.
I see you need to see everything on paper before it becomes real to you. I am already having this discussion with Elite on another thread. So tell me Revan's student or apprentice Malak knew the technique but Revan did not. Malak who went to the same places as Revan, Revan who actually went there first did not know the technique. Revan the one who hungred for knowledge some how learn many deadly techniques but missed force drain.
But Keria and Malak was able to. I do not remember Malak or Keria learning any new techiques that was describe as unknown to Revan. Only Nihilius was describe as taking it to a whole new level.
You are excusing because you don't have a custscene or statistic book when everything points to him knowing the technique. Your I don't know is not good enough.
1.) Kenobi was a master at Soresu, which utilizes a perfect defence system. Dooku's is Makashi, elegant and graceful with elements of fencing, but falters against such vicious and ferocious attacks that a Dark Side Anakin could deliver. He's also not familiar with Anakin's style, like Kenobi is.
2.) WTF are you talking about? Where's Malak in this?
3.) You are going to learn, slowly it seems, that written proof and conclusive facts are EVERYTHING here. We only use speculation as a last resort measure, only AFTER all known facts have been exhausted.
Originally posted by Tangible God
I'm gonna have to answer this one in baby steps, cuz you're losing me.1.) Kenobi was a master at Soresu, which utilizes a perfect defence system. Dooku's is Makashi, elegant and graceful with elements of fencing, but falters against such vicious and ferocious attacks that a Dark Side Anakin could deliver. He's also not familiar with Anakin's style, like Kenobi is.
2.) WTF are you talking about? Where's Malak in this?
3.) You are going to learn, slowly it seems, that written proof and conclusive facts are EVERYTHING here. We only use speculation as a last resort measure, only AFTER all known facts have been exhausted.
I have to go so I will address as much as I can for now.
For number 1 you said nothing I was not already aware of. All you have explain is the difference in the two fighting styles. It is all about how the user uses it. Dooku did defeat Anakin before.
For number two Malak is Revan's student and knew the technique and as I already said went to the same places as Revan.
Three, ok well that needs to be said to many people who post here. Once again though all you have said it you want it to be stated by the writers. Fine you can wait for that but because you do not agree is not reason enough for me to disregard. If you could explain how logically Revan would not know as Elite did in connection to Revan and the Star Forge, then perhaps I could accept.
Originally posted by Kotor3
What you just said makes no sense. So let me get this straight Obi Wan did not know Dooku style and had no knowlege of his fighting style. Oh right did not Dooku train Obi Wan's master.Anakin as a dark user did not have his head on straight and that is the main reason why he lost. Knowing his style would do nothing but help Obi Wan survive for a time. Anakin was not the same as when he was a light user. Dooku would definitely use Anakin's arrogance and stupidity aganist him.
Obi wan used Soreseu, the DEFENSIVE form. He had a lifetime of battling alongside Anakin to learn Anakin's style. Using the dark side increased Anakin from a lv. 8 swordsman to lv. 9. The dark side makes you stronger. When he just dipped into it, he tooled Dooku.
Now, with the Dark Side under control (consciously being used) he is even stronger. He will totally clown Dooku.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I see you need to see everything on paper before it becomes real to you. I am already having this discussion with Elite on another thread. So tell me Revan's student or apprentice Malak knew the technique but Revan did not. Malak who went to the same places as Revan, Revan who actually went there first did not know the technique. Revan the one who hungered for knowledge some how learn many deadly techniques but missed force drain.
I think that you are saying that since Malak knew force drain, Revan must have known it also. This has to be an assumption, and when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. Darth Revan never knew the 'Full power of the star Forge' (verbatim from the game- I'm playing now) Malak could have learned the power 'Force Drain' during the time that he was the Lord of the Sith, which would have been after (or instead of) Darth Revan's rule. Revan never would have had the chance at the end of KotOR to learn Force Drain.
Originally posted by Kotor3
But Keria and Malak was able to. I do not remember Malak or Keria learning any new techiques that was describe as unknown to Revan. Only Nihilius was describe as taking it to a whole new level.
Kreia could have learned it during her time on the triumvirate, or while following the Exile on the Harbinger. Nihilius was a hole in the force, and rather than using the technique as a conscious effort, it was a compulsion. His power was a consequence of the deaths at Malachor V, not a focused and intentional use of the force.
Originally posted by Kotor3
You are excusing because you don't have a custscene or statistic book when everything points to him knowing the technique. Your I don't know is not good enough. [/B]
Not only does it not point to him knowing the technique, there is no evidence of Revan EVER learning the power. Without the support from Cannon sources, these arguments would degenerate to subjective brown-nosing of our favorite characters. Learn grammar, find some sources, and come back after reading a few books.
p.s. I have $60 stashed away for KotOR 3, and the second it comes out, my family won't hear from me for about two weeks, AND IT IS GOING TO BE RELEASED
Originally posted by Kotor3It matter what styles you know, how well you know them, how immersed you are in the Dark Side (in this case). Against Dark Anakin, Kenobi's Soresu>Dooku's Makashi.
I have to go so I will address as much as I can for now.For number 1 you said nothing I was not already aware of. All you have explain is the difference in the two fighting styles. It is all about how the user uses it. Dooku did defeat Anakin before.
Originally posted by Kotor3Assumption on your part again. Malak could have picked in the interregnum. Or maybe he did learn it from Revan. Find some sources to back it up.
For number two Malak is Revan's student and knew the technique and as I already said went to the same places as Revan.
Originally posted by Kotor3Sources man, sources. That's what it's all about here.
Three, ok well that needs to be said to many people who post here. Once again though all you have said it you want it to be stated by the writers. Fine you can wait for that but because you do not agree is not reason enough for me to disregard. If you could explain how logically Revan would not know as Elite did in connection to Revan and the Star Forge, then perhaps I could accept.
all that going from a level 8 to a level nine swordsman stuff by gilliard is blown out of proportion with statements like "the dark side makes you stronger" no it doesnt
anakin in his mustafar state wasnt any stronger than his "invisible hand state"
dark anakin didnt do anything that light anakin wasnt already capable of
he just let go of restraint which allowed him to do anything he deemed neccisary to win without the jedi code restricting how he behaved in a duel.
someone said that obi wan won because he knew anakin inside and out. that is false. obi wan won because he capitalized on anakin's mistake which is what soresu is designed for. it had nothing to do with how well he knew anakin. ventress and dooku didnt know anakin but they managed to defeat him at times.
now to the fight
we have two scenarios
Scenario A (vader fights dooku and revan fights mace)
Outcome: after a rigorous fight mace uses vaapad and shatter point to wear down revan then cut him down. vader with an unclear head charges at dooku like he did obi wan in Rots only to be met with an incapacitating force lightening to the face, dooku cuts him down.
the second team has won
scenario B: (vader versus mace and revan versus count dooku)
Outcome: with an unfocused mind anakin is easy pickins for the seasoned shatterpoint superconducting loop mace. revan might give dooku a good fight but dooku as a fine swordsman might edge him out, but mace is finished with vader so he goes to help dooku kill revan.
Team two wins again.
either way team two wins