Thor & Wonder Woman vs Thanos

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Read through the comic again, im sure u will see it. And from ur assumptions about thor i doubt u own as many thor comics as u claim.

I cant believe ur seriously still saying wonderwoman is one million times stronger than thor. I really have no need to reply this because it is just totally ridiculous. As for wonderwoman speedblitzing, I hopoe u hve bin reading the last few pages. You say u can remeber her speedblitzing numerous times and yet u have provided no proof of it. The only examples that have bin provided have bin laughable examples of wonderwoman throwing her lasso on beings and ramming into them. 😱 These have been equated to speedblitzes. How foolish. Thor has hit a moving SS with his hammer b4 so i guess it must have been a speedblitz. My statement that Wonderwoman has never speedblitzed b4 is further being strengthened by the inability of any of the wonderwoman supporters to provide any reasonably useful evidence to the contrary. I mean showing her throwing her lasso and ramming into people is the best that u could come up with? 🙄
Im not being hypocritical at all, All im asking for is at least one scan of wonderwoman doing what many here have claimed she is capable of. So far howver not one useful scan has bin provided. I never brought into question the frequency of her usage of this tactic., all i asked was a scan of her doing so.

I have no problems admitting that wonderwoman can speedblitz it is just that when it comes to a very controversial matter like battlespeed hard evidence of it must be provided.

As for the inference thing, If u read through silver surfer superman arguements u will see that arguments that claim SS must have battle speed because of his dodging of lasers are nearly always countered by arguements sayying that SS has never shown this speed in actual physicalconfrontations against other beings.

Really ur superman can take odin arguement also does not evn deserve a reply so ill just ignore it.

And if I find you a scan of WW speedblitzing will you truly say that she wins over Thanos? What is a speedblitz to you anyway?

I have the Thor comic in my lap and don't see where Thanos says this. What are you talking about? And I own quite a few Thor comics my friend.

Who cares if someone can speedblitz? Its just semantics we're arguing about right? All that matters is if a character can attack the opponent before they can respond. Whether it is a speedblitz or not is moot, for it is an automatic win regardless. And there's plenty hard evidence that points out that WW can indeed attack many before they can respond. What say you?

And you won't be able to win the argument that Odin can win over Superman so it is smart to ignore it.

Originally posted by h1a8
And if I find you a scan of WW speedblitzing will you truly say that she wins over Thanos? What is a speedblitz to you anyway?

I have the Thor comic in my lap and don't see where Thanos says this. What are you talking about? And I own quite a few Thor comics my friend.

Who cares if someone can speedblitz? Its just semantics we're arguing about right? All that matters is if a character can attack the opponent before they can respond. Whether it is a speedblitz or not is moot, for it is an automatic win regardless. And there's plenty hard evidence that points out that WW can indeed attack many before they can respond. What say you?

And you won't be able to win the argument that Odin can win over Superman so it is smart to ignore it.

You're going on ignore.

Originally posted by h1a8
And if I find you a scan of WW speedblitzing will you truly say that she wins over Thanos? What is a speedblitz to you anyway?

I have the Thor comic in my lap and don't see where Thanos says this. What are you talking about? And I own quite a few Thor comics my friend.

Who cares if someone can speedblitz? Its just semantics we're arguing about right? All that matters is if a character can attack the opponent before they can respond. Whether it is a speedblitz or not is moot, for it is an automatic win regardless. And there's plenty hard evidence that points out that WW can indeed attack many before they can respond. What say you?

And you won't be able to win the argument that Odin can win over Superman so it is smart to ignore it.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Completely false. There is a very big difference between having the ability to hit someone once before they react and having the ability to continuosly hit a person numerous times b4 they react. These abilities are NOT interchangeable. U of all people should know this. The reason characters like thor can be seen hitting a person once before they react without adding more hits on is because they do not have the neccessary speed to initiate more attacks b4 the person reacts. Im sure u believe that flight speed and combat speed are not the same. A character like SS can easily charge an opponent at high speeds and hit them B4 they react and the same can be said for thor. Howver SS and thor are not as adept at adding on more hits like punches or other physical attacks.

Evn ur own definitions contradict themselves. U say that u only need to hit an opponent once for a speedblitz yet u say that a bullrush in which u add on hits or in other words a combo, is a speedblitz. What sort of combo do u know that involves only one hit?LOL.

By logic, if you can hit someone once before they can react (assuming they are ready) then you can hit them again. This is because the moment they are hit their reaction time drops due to being temporarily stun. So your second attack can be less fast as the first. And Thor was comboing Thanos and others before. He was just too stupid to continue.

And I was using your definition of speedblitz (not mine) to defeat you. You say that multiple hits are needed before the opponent can respond and I say those multiple hits will come after the first hit. Thus character A has hit character B 100 times before B could respond. So by your definition this is a speedblitz.

And a combo involves a first hit (not one hit). My point is that if A hits B once (not exactly once) then A wins. This is because they will continue to hit them until they are koed.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Now how in the hell can superman beat Odin when Superman couldn't even hurt Odin.

Thor's durability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Odin's durability (unless Odin is given prep).

Originally posted by ultimatethor
In answer to ur question. A speedblitz is usually considered to be a combo of some sort done at superspeed. Howver the term is used very loosely and is at times used instead of the term bullrush. IMO to execute a speedblitz u wud need to combine at least, combat and running/flight speed.

2 ur other question. As i said a speedblitz is usually considered to be a combo at superspeed. Howver in the case of characters with well established history of speedblitzing like supes and flash, the loose usage of this term becomes evident as if superman or flash attacks storm at superspeeds but it only takes one punch to knock her out it is still considered a speedblitz by most. Howver what im contending is that in line with the way the term is normally used( describing a combo), The term bullrush might be more appropriate in that instance. For example if a speedblitz is considered as simply hitting/tagging/grabbing ur opponent once b4 they can react then the huge debates on this forum as to whether the silver surfer can do a superfast speedblitz wud be needless. Also when characters like hulk simply jump and grab people b4 they can react( like what merged hulk did to drax with the PG) it should also be classified as a speedblitz. Id prefer to go with how the term speedblitz is normally( but not always) used which is referencing a superspeed combo.

As for Wonderwoman, it really makes no difference what u define speedblitzing as, because evn if u do somehow have the erroneous belief that ramming into opponents or lassoing them constitutes speedblitzing, for her to be able to stand a chance against thanos, she wud have to b able to land numerous attacks on thanos B4 he can react.( which falls in line with my opinion of speedblitzing), something which nobody has bin able to show her doing against anyone. Therefore evn IF we do assume that Wondy has speedblitzing capabilities based on one of the definitions(the wrong one) they certainly are not on the level that can evn bother thanos and are of literally no consequence in this match.

You need to play Street Fighter II more. You lack the true understanding of what a combo is. The second and following hits not need to be initiated at the same speed as the first. Because there is a stun factor which reduces the time of someone's reactions and starts the bell over again.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
May I ask a question about this speedblitz issue? As you can see I'm new to the forum, and I've been reading through the posts in this thread and I'm honestly quite confused about what does and does not constitute a speedblitz. 😕

I guess I have two questions really. The first is what kind of speed do you need in order to execute a blitz? Is it combat, reaction, flight, running speed or a combination of all? WW's speed often seems to be a point of contention in debates. It's her combat speed that is lacking?

My second question is whether a successful blitz needs to KO the other character. A subquestion to this would be about the number of hits. If Superman were to speed blitz Storm for example, it would only take one hit to knock her out. Would such a move not be considered a speed blitz because he only needed one punch to take her out?

I apologize for the multiple questions. Any responses would be greatly appreciated!

(If this is not proper place to ask such a thing, I apologize as well! 😮 )

The only criteria for a speedblitz is
1. Being fast enough to initiate an attack on a ready opponent before they can respond.

The definition of speedblitz is of no significance. This is because if the definition for speedblitz is one hit before responding then 1. takes care of that. If multiple hits are needed for the definition of the speedblitz then by 1. one is also fast enough to insert another hit due to the original reflexes of the opponent being both slowed and reset because of the stun hit.

So whatever the definition of speedblitz is a character can do it if 1. holds.

Originally posted by h1a8
You need to play Street Fighter II more. You lack the true understanding of what a combo is. The second and following hits not need to be initiated at the same speed as the first. Because there is a stun factor which reduces the time of someone's reactions and starts the bell over again.

😘.......reported.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your opponent can have the power of TOAA (minus the speed) and flash will still win.

And thats even dumber,if a person has the power of TOAA he is Omnipotent and Omniscient he isn't getting beat by Flash or Superman or anyone for that matter lol good lord.

Originally posted by Alucard25
And thats even dumber,if a person has the power of TOAA he is Omnipotent and Omniscient he isn't getting beat by Flash or Superman or anyone for that matter lol good lord.

If you had the power of TOAA (with only human durability and reflexes/speed) and a bullet is shot towards your brain at 10ft away from you then who wins, you or the bullet? You get my point?

Originally posted by h1a8
If you had the power of TOAA (with only human durability and reflexes/speed) and a bullet is shot towards your brain at 10ft away from you then who wins, you or the bullet? You get my point?

TOAA

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor's durability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Odin's durability (unless Odin is given prep).

He must be a joke account. He HAVE TO BE! 😱

ifSquirrel Girl can beat thanos so can thor & ww

Thanos ftw.

As for speed blitzing Thanos, it wouldn't work. Thanos has shown that although he can't travel at LS+ levels, he can react to those speeds.

For example, in the Infinity Gauntlet, he cut himself off from all sensory input from the Gauntlet, so had his usual reactions. He noticed, and avoided The Silver Surfer traveling at well over LS trying to grab the Gauntlet off him.

Diana isn't doing squat to Thanos, he' s laughed at hit's from far stronger people.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor's durability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Odin's durability (unless Odin is given prep).

Originally posted by h1a8
You need to play Street Fighter II more. You lack the true understanding of what a combo is. The second and following hits not need to be initiated at the same speed as the first. Because there is a stun factor which reduces the time of someone's reactions and starts the bell over again.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you had the power of TOAA (with only human durability and reflexes/speed)

Originally posted by h1a8

And you won't be able to win the argument that Odin can win over Superman so it is smart to ignore it.

How has this been going on for so long. Clearly Thanos should take this after WW and Thor do put up a decent fight.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Thanos ftw.

As for speed blitzing Thanos, it wouldn't work. Thanos has shown that although he can't travel at LS+ levels, he can react to those speeds.

For example, in the Infinity Gauntlet, he cut himself off from all sensory input from the Gauntlet, so had his usual reactions. He noticed, and avoided The Silver Surfer traveling at well over LS trying to grab the Gauntlet off him.

Diana isn't doing squat to Thanos, he' s laughed at hit's from far stronger people.

That has to be the most solid point concerning Thanos' reaction times that anyone has posted on this entire thead.... good post.
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