Originally posted by RaoulWhich time are you talking about, was it when he surrounded himself with bombs to stab Flash, or another time?
slade didn't have prep for all of the JLA. it wasn't even all JLA. it was a group of dc heroes that happened to be in the JLA years ago. there's no way he could prep for them all.people don't be dissing nightwing. the man matched cassie cain, beat jason todd, and beat ra's. he's damn impressive.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Says who? He beat members of the JLA and Teen Titans but then was given hell by NW twice and barely beat Batman?If NW is giving him hell hes not beating Cap.
People vary in skill level and power, thats just the way its goes.
Christ, I said he is obviously more consistent compared to Captain America, and not the majority of the comic industry.
Varying in skill and power means dog shit here.
Captain America, is not a light speeder and cannot knock out beings like Hulk.
If you think he can then leave this thread.
I am not one to say that what Death stroke does is correct to a point, but he does things like take on the Titans etc. time and time again.
Captain America, did something once and never again. That is PIS to an extent.
Character's like Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Captain America will have some PIS involved of course but because they aren't power houses, it will be much easier to identify unlike when Thor, Hulk or Superman do something ridiculous.
Don't hate on Nightwing, that dude is damn impressive, and would give Captain America, a run for his money.
Either way, we will finish this tomorrow. I have to go now.
Originally posted by Raoul
slade didn't have prep for all of the JLA. it wasn't even all JLA. it was a group of dc heroes that happened to be in the JLA years ago. there's no way he could prep for them all.
Where did he get the bombs and bag from? Also Dr Light hired DS to protect him from the JLA because they thought he killed Sue Dibny. Even I could have guessed some of the superheroes that would have come for him.
Originally posted by Raoul
people don't be dissing nightwing. the man matched cassie cain, beat jason todd, and beat ra's. he's damn impressive.
I know hes good but hes not as good as Batman and according to Brubaker and Busiek Cap is better than Batman.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Christ, I said he is obviously more consistent compared to Captain America, and not the majority of the comic industry.Varying in skill and power means dog shit here.
What so you make the rules around here... no you don't.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Captain America, is not a light speeder and cannot knock out beings like Hulk.If you think he can then leave this thread.
Excuse me. If you actually read any Captain America you would know hes actually capable of doing it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I am not one to say that what Death stroke does is correct to a point, but he does things like take on the Titans etc. time and time again.
Ok give me examples.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Captain America, did something once and never again. That is PIS to an extent.Character's like Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Captain America will have some PIS involved of course but because they aren't power houses, it will be much easier to identify unlike when Thor, Hulk or Superman do something ridiculous.
Either way, we will finish this tomorrow. I have to go now.
Again if you actually read any Captain America comics you would know hes actually capable of doing it. If you're ignorant about a character dont run your mouth its just makes you look bad.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Where did he get the bombs and bag from? Also Dr Light hired DS to protect him from the JLA because they thought he killed Sue Dibny. Even I could have guessed some of the superheroes that would have come for him.
he guessed flash.
the JLA when Identity Crisis happened was: Superman, Diana, Bats, Flash, John Stewart and J'onn.
No Atom, No Canary, No Zatanna, no Hawkman, no Green Arrow.
when light originally attacked sue, the JLA was:
Hal, Clark, Hawkman, Green Arrow, Batman, Barry Allen, Canary (the old one), and Zatanna.
but that's invalid, as Light didn't remember what had happened to him exactly until after that fight between Slade and the assembled heroes.
So Slade prepped for almost a dozen leaguers? he just picked names out of a hat?
I know hes good but hes not as good as Batman and according to Brubaker and Busiek Cap is better than Batman.
he'd give batman a hell of a fight...
brubaker? what does he have to do with it?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What so you make the rules around here... no you don't.
What?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Excuse me. If you actually read any Captain America you would know hes actually capable of doing it.
What?
Captain America, is almost always classified as above peak human and some times at peak human.
You're telling me he can move at light speed, and take on beings like Hulk in hand to hand?
Ummm, we are talking about Steve Rogers from the 616 who has had trouble with street level opponents?
The Steve Rogers who would have his hands full with Batman?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok give me examples.
Give you what examples?
Deathstroke consistently troubles the Teen Titan's etc.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again if you actually read any Captain America comics you would know hes actually capable of doing it. If you're ignorant about a character dont run your mouth its just makes you look bad.
Name me a few times when Captain America has moved at light speed.
Go on name me a few, I'm really interested to here them.
Name me a few times, when he has shown Class 100 strength and up.
We actually have a Captain America fan boy here, I thought you guys were nearly as extinct as Cyclop fans.
Either way we will finish this tomorrow, but I cannot wait to hear your response.
Originally posted by Raoul
he guessed flash.
So why did he guess flash and not the others.
Originally posted by Raoul
the JLA when Identity Crisis happened was: Superman, Diana, Bats, Flash, John Stewart and J'onn.No Atom, No Canary, No Zatanna, no Hawkman, no Green Arrow.
when light originally attacked sue, the JLA was:
Hal, Clark, Hawkman, Green Arrow, Batman, Barry Allen, Canary (the old one), and Zatanna.
but that's invalid, as Light didn't remember what had happened to him exactly until after that fight between Slade and the assembled heroes.
I dont think it matters wether he could remember or not. Since Dr light hired Ds to protect him any tactician well know that there a certain amount of heroes that will turn up to find him. It was also a massive manhunt so a tactician will consider the fact that it would be more than the just the current JLA at the time.
Originally posted by Raoul
So Slade prepped for almost a dozen leaguers? he just picked names out of a hat.
He obvoulsy guessed right.
Originally posted by Raoul
he'd give batman a hell of a fight...brubaker? what does he have to do with it?
brubaker has written for both Batman and Captain America so his opinion is valid. Unfortunately the site isnt up anymore.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Caps is above peak human. These are quotes from Ed Brubaker. Thanks go to Daredevil1 for finding them.http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060330214926
"Just physical exertion. While I don't think of Cap as 'super' like Spider-man or Superman,[B] he's clearly not Batman with a shield. He's not just like a guy who works out all the time and is trained. He's been enhanced, and I wanted to show that a bit."
"See, I never understand why everyone gets so worked up about this stuff. Cap was given the Super-Soldier Serum. The first word there is SUPER. He's not superman, but clearly, he's been shown to be much faster and stronger than a well-trained athlete, many many times. One of everyone's favorite Cap appearances seems to be DD: Born Again, where he's shown running to fast that he's a breeze."
http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060418204829&q=ed%20brubaker
"I see it as he's the ultimate of human potential. Not something the modern man could ever be, but like an evolutionary next-step, basically. He's not Thor or Spiderman, but he's not Batman, either." [/B]
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?
You are dictating to me what should be allowed on this forum and yes variation of feats is taken into account.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?Captain America, is almost always classified as above peak human and some times at peak human.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There are lots of cirumstances that show Cap is superhuman.
You're telling me he can move at light speed, and take on beings like Hulk in hand to hand?Ummm, we are talking about Steve Rogers from the 616 who has had trouble with street level opponents?
The Steve Rogers who would have his hands full with Batman?
No he cant run at lightspeed. Obvoulsy Koing the Hulk is not the norm but it can be done.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Give you what examples?Deathstroke consistently troubles the Teen Titan's etc.
Under what cirumstances?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Name me a few times when Captain America has moved at light speed.Go on name me a few, I'm really interested to here them.
Im not saying he can run at lightspeed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Name me a few times, when he has shown Class 100 strength and up.
There lots of examples of Cap stunning very powerful opponents. Cap has also KOed namor underwater, thats just one example.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We actually have a Captain America fan boy here, I thought you guys were nearly as extinct as Cyclop fans.Either way we will finish this tomorrow, but I cannot wait to hear your response.
Are you new here or something because clearly you are just ignorant. Like I said if you knew anything about the character you would know Koing the Hulk is not PIS. You cant just call something PIS just because you dont like it.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and you know that next issue he was so weakened he couldnt beat up a normal guy. DS was messed up after the fight.Says who? He beat members of the JLA and Teen Titans but then was given hell by NW twice and barely beat Batman?
If NW is giving him hell hes not beating Cap.
People vary in skill level and power, thats just the way its goes.
You dont like it therefore its PIS?
Seriously dude, I don't care what the circumstances are....CA SHOULD NEVER BE KO'ING 100 CLASSES. Are you unable to indentify PIS or what?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
That interview was such garbage, Cap is peak human and nothing more for one thing....secondly he is hardly even low meta.
😆 cap is meta. Super Soldier Serum, ring any bells!! Its just that the marvel and DC universe portrays people differently. Seriously, tons of the totally human fighters have ridiculous feats in the DC universe, while, the majority of normal humans in Marvel do not save a handful.
In all seriousness this would be a close fight, but I see CA taking it by a slim margin, especially with the shield.