Captain America v Deathstroke

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Midnighter broke Grant's Nth metal armor, which is the exact same as Slade's only with a different paint job, by punching him.

Slade has been repetitively stabbed and even shot through his armor already in the DCnU... and you think that his armor will not only protect him from Cap, but actually afford him an advantage? Other than you being a fanboy, what possible reasoning is there for that train of thought?

The Nth metal didn't stand up to Lobo, he also broke it. It's been stabbed through with a katana. Grant cut through it repeatedly with various edge weapons. I snub nose revolver punched through it no problem. Legacy hacked through the shoulder pad. Midnighter broke Grant's armor. Lobo broke Slade's. Deadborn cracked the mask. What even seen of the armor on panel is less than impressive. It's about as good as the Promethum armor he had pre boot.

Slade doesn't have any speed or strength feats worth discounting. He does not have a single speed or strength feat on par with Batman's best, never mind Captain America.

Gunfire has not penetrated his suit. Lobo wailed on him continuously and only made that crack....deadborn didnt crack it. Its not fully nth metal and part and has been penetrated by swords weilded by "inhuman speed/precision"....that in no way equates to caps blunt force being able to overwhelm it. I dont give a sh#t what you say, cap is no where near as strong as dcnu Lobo, even using the shield he couldn't generate equal force...and lobo only cracked the face plate after a gruesome beating.

I wont even justify that last part with a response. Okay I will......stupidest thing ever said. Slades faster/stronger than both steve and bruce.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Grants armor isnt identical according to anything but you....so its undoubtedly false.

Gunfire has not penetrated his suit. Lobo wailed on him continuously and only made that crack....deadborn didnt crack it. Its not fully nth metal and part and has been penetrated by swords weilded by "inhuman speed/precision"....that in no way equates to caps blunt force being able to overwhelm it. I dont give a sh#t what you say, cap is no where near as strong as dcnu Lobo, even using the shield he couldn't generate equal force...and lobo only cracked the face plate after a gruesome beating.

I wont even justify that last part with a response. Okay I will......stupidest thing ever said. Slades faster/stronger than both steve and bruce.

According to me and, you know, Peabody. Do you even read Deathstroke comics? I'm curious because your next statement REALLY makes me doubt it.

He is shot multiple times in issue 7. Lobo has no feats. Deadborn did crack it... hence... the crack in his mask.

Yeah inhuman speed and precision, that doesn't sound like Captain America. 🙄

Slade got worked over by a second rate rip off of a Matsu'o, a guy Wolverine effortlessly trolled for year.

Slade is considered faster and stronger than Batman because of anecdotal evidence... which is next to useless in a debate. There is literally no concrete proof that Slade is either faster or stronger than Batman. In a feat by feat comparison of the two, Batman would win in both categories. Easily. Now Deathstroke is obviously intended to be stronger and faster than Batman, but in lieu of proof and on panel execution to verify that intent, that intent is next to useless. Welcome to debating and the burden of proof. A few anecdotal statements might be enough to over look the fact that Slade has no legitimate strength or speed feats of merit and gift him the benefit of the doubt against Batman physically, because as even as little as anecdotal evidence matter it is something... but there is not a single thing to suggest he is on Caps level.

No problem with Slade being faster and stronger than Batman based only on their respective presentation.

But, that's not enough against Cap, who is also undeniably much stronger and faster than Batman, not through direct comparisons, since its cross-company, but through feats.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No problem with Slade being faster and stronger than Batman based only on their respective presentation.

But, that's not enough against Cap, who is also undeniably much stronger and faster than Batman, not through direct comparisons, since its cross-company, but through feats.

Exactly.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No problem with Slade being faster and stronger than Batman based only on their respective presentation.

But, that's not enough against Cap, who is also undeniably much stronger and faster than Batman, not through direct comparisons, since its cross-company, but through feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap is not faster than Batman. Batman has feats that can match anything Cap has done. IMO I believe Batman is a hair faster.

He's physically across the board superior to Batman.

Cap's basically Batman and Dick Grayson (who is both faster and more agile than Batman) combined and then some.

H1...show us Batman speed fts that makes him equal or Superior to Cap. Bring the scans bro.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap is not faster than Batman. Batman has feats that can match anything Cap has done. IMO I believe Batman is a hair faster.

Speed: Slade > Batman > or = Cap

Strength: Slade > Cap > Batman

Slades physically superior to Captain America. Hes more metahuman than Captain America. These are facts.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I agree with this. Being stated "metahuman" or not means jack. Feats are feats. Cap and Bruce are much closer in physical aspects according to feats than many are giving him credit for. Cap has the edge, but its definitely not significantly large.

Speed: Slade > Batman > or = Cap

Strength: Slade > Cap > Batman

Slades physically superior to Captain America. Hes more metahuman than Captain America. These are facts.

😆

Again, I challenge you: If you cite name a single strength feat of Slade topping America's strength, I will defer to your judgment and concede that both Batman and Slade are better than Captain America in every single way. All you need to do is post one concrete strength feat. Just one.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap is not faster than Batman. Batman has feats that can match anything Cap has done. IMO I believe Batman is a hair faster.

Except you know running 60mph while carrying a person, and legitimate bullet timing... so... yeah... the opposite of what you just said I guess?

Theres this thread I made.... you could check it out.

I know the only feats you acknowledge are those convenient to your argument. Slade has much better speed feats but there not even feats according to sranks guidelines concerning the validity of feats. And no strength feat will match caos for either bruce or slade if youre left as the sole interpreter of the overall impressiveness of their feats. As far as these guys feats go....ive seen them all. Ask yourself what you could possibly say that the feats dont themselves...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Except you know running 60mph while carrying a person, and legitimate bullet timing... so... yeah... the opposite of what you just said I guess?

Originally posted by namorsubby
Theres this thread I made.... you could check it out.

I know the only feats you acknowledge are those convenient to your argument. Slade has much better speed feats but there not even feats acvording to sranks guidelines concerning the validity of feats. And no strength feat will match caos for either bruce or slade if youre left as the sole interpreter of the overall impressiveness of their feats. As far as these guys feats go....ive seen them all. Ask reused what you could possibly say that the feats dont themselves...

Concision accepted.

I acknowledge all relevant feats, what I don't acknowledge is your twisted interpretation of feats (where a 20 story fall somehow becomes hundreds of stories in your deluded fanboy mind). The difference between us is that I don't open my mouth unless I know what I'm talking about. Your opinion is that Slade and Batman are equal or better than Cap. Cap being better than both of them is not my opinion, it's fact. When I say that Slade isn't as strong, or fast as Captain America, I know it, and there isn't a single thing that can be posted to contradict my statement. How do I know that? Because I know as much about Deathstroke as I do about Captain America, which is everything. I've read every issue. I've seen everything Slade has ever done. I'm not sharing my opinion with you, I'm give you unquestionable trues gathered from decades of research.

I never specified how high the fall was. I'm not some idiot who pretends he can be apply finite measurements to comic scenes by eyeing them. The difference between me and you is that I am able to acknowledge BOTH opponents advantages. You couldnt show me anything new from any character weve discussed so its clear that your highly cap favored conclusions that are supppsedly based in feats are motivated by something besides the feats themselves. Maybe like hating dc in general and loving cap. ...idk.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I never specified how high the fall was. I'm not some idiot who pretends he can be apply finite measurements to comic scenes by eyeing them. The difference between me and you is that I am able to acknowledge BOTH opponents advantages. You couldnt show me anything new from any character weve discussed so its clear that your highly cap favored conclusions that are supppsedly based in feats are motivated by something besides the feats themselves. Maybe like hating dc in general and loving cap. ...idk.

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I like DC just fine, but I won't put on blinders and pretend that there is some imaginary parity between the two companies for the sake of bipartisanship. Marvel's streets on average operate on a higher level than DCs. That's not an opinion, that is objective fact that should be obvious to anyone who has experience with the work of both companies. It's the same with DC's higher heralds level characters, they on average operate on a higher level than Marvels. I just don't find them as interesting as the streets and have little interesting in debating those characters.

Thats the stupidest thing ive ever read. How exactly do you come to these conclusions. I mean really, what method could you possibly use to determine that marvel streets>DCstreets? Oh wait let me guess....you eyed every feat from both companies street levelers and and calculated that marvels was more impressive on average? GTFOH you marvel fanboy.lol

Slade has this. I dont really listen to the Captian Ameica fans, because with them Cap can beat everybody no matter what their power, skillset, or training may be.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Thats the stupidest thing ive ever read. How exactly do you come to these conclusions. I mean really, what method could you possibly use to determine that marvel streets>Dc streets? Oh wait let me guess....you eyed every feat from both companies street levelers and and calculated that marvels was more impressive on average. GTFOH

By reading tens of thousands of street level comics and making note of how Marvel streets have better feats than their DC counter parts. It's not a great mystery and the difference is not a slight one. It's as clear and obvious as the fact that Superman is faster than Hulk, which is why I know you don't read Captain America, or Daredevil or Wolverine or Shang Chi or Iron Fist or Black Panther comics.

They dont have better feats in general across the board. Do you realize how absurd that is to suggest? These characters mostly perform the same/similar feats most of the time. You cant distinguish a slight edge in favor of marvel characters based on a average street leveler showing. You are obviously simply biased.

Originally posted by complexbrother
Slade has this. I dont really listen to the Captian Ameica fans, because with them Cap can beat everybody no matter what their power, skillset, or training may be.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cap being better than both of them is not my opinion, it's fact.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm give you unquestionable trues gathered from decades of research.