Originally posted by namorsubby
They dont have better feats in general across the board. Do you realize how absurd that is to suggest? These characters mostly preform the same/similar feats most of the time. You cant distinguish a slight edge in favor of marvel characters based on a average street leveler showing. You are obviously simply biased.
Cap is the most overrated character on these forums. Then Wolverine. Batman is the most hated. Dc characters in general are not well liked. Why? I do not know.
Except, they do have better feats across the board. It may sound absurd to a DC fanboy, I can't speak to that, but regardless of how absurd you think it sounds... it's accurate. Marvel's streets routinely are depicted on a higher level than DCs. That is just a fact. Cap. Panther. Iron Fist. Shang Chi. Wolverine. All them have feats that are noticeably better than the best of the best of DC streets. Marvel has a deeper street level talent pool than DC and it isn't anchored around one character, which means dozens of characters are afforded impressive feats without worrying about how that might make Batman look weak in comparison. There is no tentpole Batman character in Marvel streets, and if there is, it's Spider-man who is powerful in his own right that he isn't forcing every character to operate with a governor on to cap out their showings. That's just the reality of the situation. Batman has the best feats and showings for a DC street, and they don't hold a character to what Cap does, and there is half a dozen Marvel streets who have feats to match Caps.
No on hates DC, they hate mindless followers of the cult of Batology, witless casuals who think Batman is the best at everything and wins via being Batman.
Cap certainly has more plentiful strength feats.....maybe because his appearances vastly outnumber slades.....certainly nothing slades incapable of himself though.
I'm curious as to why anyone thinks cap would win honestly. What we usually do here on these boards is simply say "hes better" or "he has superior ______" without showing feats or really going into specifically why wed go with a certain character. Id.like to actually debate someone for a change.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Cap certainly has more plentiful strength feats.....maybe because his appearances vastly outnumber slades.....certainly nothing slades incapable of himself though.I'm curious as to why anyone thinks cap would win honestly. What we usually do here on these boards is simply say "hes better" or "he has superior ______" without showing feats or really going into specifically why wed go with a certain character. Id.like to actually debate someone for a change.
So you've forgotten the sarcophagus debacle a couple months ago, when all Cap's feats were posted and you were trying to pretend that Slade lifted a two ton sarcophagus... which he didn't.
He lifted whatever it weighs which is way more than the couple hundred lbs you deduced it to weigh with your highly developed and completely imaginary ability to apply precise, finite measurements to objects in comic books. Youre so full of it.....and that is why I enjoy this....because I get to tell you how full of it you are after every fabricated, self-supported, hyperbolic, and biased statement you make.
Caps not stronger....or faster....or anything besides a more skilled fighter. He loses in spite of that.
Originally posted by namorsubby
He lifted whatever it weighs which is way more than the couple hundred lbs you deduced it to weigh with your highly developed and completely imaginary ability to apply precise, finite measurements to objects in comic books. Youre so full of it.....and that is why I enjoy this....because I get to tell you how full of it you are after every fabricated, self-supported, hyperbolic, and biased statement you make.Caps not stronger....or faster....or anything besides a more skilled fighter. He loses in spite of that.
Deduced? I provided documentation from Egyptian Tourism board that gave the exact weight and break down of the different layers of a sarcophagus... which you ignored. Not to mention he didn't lift anything, moved out of the way while a green thing smashed them... but what ever.
Captain America is stronger. He is faster. He is more skilled. He has the feats to prove it, which have been posted many times over the course of this thread, you've just chosen to ignore them because you are sad fanboy.
Originally posted by namorsubby
What "layer" of it did he lift according to your egyptian tomb expertise? Oh wait, now he didn't lift it at all right? It just fell on him, smashed, and he threw it off.....but he didn't lift it.Cap is a more skilled martial artist. That is his only advantage against Slade.
I never even fell on him.
Cap holds a document advantage against Slade in every category.
Originally posted by namorsubby
He threw it, dummy. He lifted and threw it.No. Cap loses because hes less metahuman in all physical aspects and a lesser tactical fighter.
He didn't throw it, some green thing smashes into it, but we can say he throws it if you want, I don't care, it's a 200lbs feat.
Except he isn't... as document by actually feats, which hold more weight than your deluded fantasy interpretation of Slade's abilities.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Its much, much more than that but okay.Cap will contend very well until the end, when Slade stops playing with him. Slade tends to fight other street levelers with mild if any real interest and alternate agendas 99.9% of the time. If hes really motivated to take him out....itll be quicker.
It isn't I've provided document several times that proves I'm right.
What Slade tends to do is get beat up by B-String street levels that Cap would wipe his nose with, because Slade is cocky and arrogant and his abilities don't match up with his over inflated opinion of himself. Cap's feats are better and he would win a fight. Easily.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Cap certainly has more plentiful strength feats.....maybe because his appearances vastly outnumber slades.....certainly nothing slades incapable of himself though.I'm curious as to why anyone thinks cap would win honestly. What we usually do here on these boards is simply say "hes better" or "he has superior ______" without showing feats or really going into specifically why wed go with a certain character. Id.like to actually debate someone for a change.
Well, the thing with Slade is that his best feats involve prep of some kind or more than a little PIS (depending on how you view Identity Crisis and how he handled the JLA...I consider the whole Kyle ring incident to be beyond stupid, but everything else seems plausible).
Most of Slade's weapons are nullified by the shield Cap has in addition to his ability to dodge them or just tank them outright. Cap also has the benefit of routinely displaying skill against other top tier streets. Slade, not so much. This isn't to say he's not skilled, because he is, but he usually just overpowers streets via his attributes, and even then, he's had quite a few low showings (which may be considered PIS) of him struggling with Grayson and Harper. And really, given the consistent average of Cap's feats of skills, physicality, and fights in general, I can't see either Nightwing or Arsenal giving him a fight unless Cap was saddled with really bad PIS or just a horrific low showing.
I'm generous enough to even assume that Slade at his absolute best might be as fast/strong/whatever as Cap, but he doesn't display the skills Cap has, and he certainly doesn't display physical prowess above what Cap can accomplish, imho.
He doesn't stomp Slade into the ground, but via feats and portrayals, I do think Cap wins this with more difficulty than he would beat Batman.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIn a forum match setting without extenuating circumstances or pis/cis how many of those characters would stand a chance at incapacitating Slade first? Exactly.
It isn't I've provided document several times that proves I'm right.What Slade tends to do is get beat up by B-String street levels that Cap would wipe his nose with, because Slade is cocky and arrogant and his abilities don't match up with his over inflated opinion of himself. Cap's feats are better and he would win a fight. Easily.
They might look good getting superficial shots in against him on panel, but in a straight up fight to the finish theres no way they could put him down. Hes much too durable. Hes heals too quickly. Hes physically superior. Batman, Cassie, Nightwing, Bronze tiger, are all elite peak human streets, but at the end of the day in a match up with slade with no plots devices, distractions, or abrupt endings theyd all go down.