Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well what else do you want? The feats ive given are comparable to the two feats you have provided and I have given three examples.Im not sure if thats justfied Temugin beats cap and batman in h2h and he hardly has any feats.
i disagree, given the quality of opponents...
Originally posted by Raoul
i disagree, given the quality of opponents...
Yeah but I explained that to you. Giant Man and Yellowjacket are not as lethal as the opponents that DS faced but DS had prep and was enhanced at the time. Cap had no prep and was in a weak body, that makes up for the difference and as I explained his body was so weak that he hurt his hand hitting Yellowjacket.
Also are GA and Black Canary better than Black Widow or Diamonback in h2h or Black Knight and Starfox?
The problem you also have is that both Batgirl and Batman have given DS trouble in h2h. Just because hes beaten the JLA in prep doesnt mean hes gets the majority on Cap because street levelers that Cap can beat have given DS severe problems in h2h, which also kinda suggests that if Cap had prep as well he could do the same or Batman for that matter.
edit: and to add Cap has taken on the whole of Batrocs brigade from what I can remember. I dont think GA and Black canary are beating Batroc, Zaran and Razorfist.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]Yeah but I explained that to you. Giant Man and Yellowjacket are not as lethal as the opponents that DS faced but DS had prep and was enhanced at the time. Cap had no prep and was in a weak body, that makes up for the difference and as I explained his body was so weak that he hurt his hand hitting Yellowjacket.
enhanced? he was standard ds.
prep? for flash, and maybe canary? sure. not for the atom, hawkman, kyle rayner, zatanna or green arrow...
but ok, cap was weaker, and that has to be taken into consideration, though i still don't think you can say it was as tough...
Also are GA and Black Canary better than Black Widow or Diamonback in h2h or Black Knight and Starfox?
in h2h? i dun see why they're not at least comparable...
The problem you also have is that both Batgirl and Batman have given DS trouble in h2h. Just because hes beaten the JLA in prep doesnt mean hes gets the majority on Cap because street levelers that Cap can beat have given DS severe problems in h2h, which also kinda suggests that if Cap had prep as well he could do the same or Batman for that matter.
you're overstating the prep he had. significantly.
batman and batgirl give everyone trouble, the same way cap does.
and cap doesn't have deathstroke's brain power. cap wouldnt beat the league without more prep. DS was too fast for them, far too fast for them.
edit: and to add Cap has taken on the whole of Batrocs brigade from what I can remember. I dont think GA and Black canary are beating Batroc, Zaran and Razorfist.
would you happen to have the scans?
Captain is pretty good with prep or atleast improv planning. Isn't he suppose to be like as good as a 5 star general and all his advisor rolled into one? As far as I know he is one of the best tacticians in MU. So I'm not sure if thast the SS allowing him to be that good or he is just that good but I don't think DS is going to outsmart him.
Originally posted by Raoul
enhanced? he was standard ds.
Yes thats what I meant. DS was not weak.
Originally posted by Raoul
prep? for flash, and maybe canary? sure. not for the atom, hawkman, kyle rayner, zatanna or green arrow...but ok, cap was weaker, and that has to be taken into consideration, though i still don't think you can say it was as tough...
I think he had prep for The Atom I dont think that laser pointer is standard equipment.
The problem I have is I really dont see why Cap couldnt do the same if he had prep. Why couldnt Cap do the same to the Flash if he had explosives and he knew where he was going to go and why couldnt he figure that out if he knew him? After all Cap has tagged Quicksilver twice and Quicksilver has been shown to move his body so fast that he can become invisible (thats a Superman like feat). Also Flash doesnt always run FTL speed or light speed for that matter.
Why couldnt he punk Zatanna before she speaks does she have superhuman speed and martial training? Obvoulsy DS punked her despite her power level because she wasnt fast enough. Why couldnt he punk Hawkman? After all Cap with no SSS was able to make Thunderstrike look like a fool.
Furthermore it actually seems like a whole load of CIS and possibly PIS. Why on earth did they all wait in line to get punked by DS? For starters instead of Atom attacking him while DS was fighting other opponents he actually waits for DS to find him so he could get punked. If they all attacked him at once he would have got mullered. We also need to consider that apart from prep he possibly thought about what he was going to do prior to the battle eventhough he can think on the fly as well.
Despite this DS still has problems beating skilled street levelers he might be able to beat JLA with prep but going one-on-one with a skilled MA is another matter.
Originally posted by Raoul
in h2h? i dun see why they're not at least comparable...
Well thats my point. So I dont see why he gets the majority.
Originally posted by Raoul
you're overstating the prep he had. significantly.
Would he be able to beat them without the prep? The answer is no.
Originally posted by Raoul
batman and batgirl give everyone trouble, the same way cap does.
You're missing the point.
Cap>Batman.
If Batman can beat DS so badly why are you giving the majority to somebody superior to Batman.
Originally posted by Raoul
and cap doesn't have deathstroke's brain power. cap wouldnt beat the league without more prep. DS was too fast for them, far too fast for them.
You havent proven that DS brain power gives him the edge. As I explained earlier if Cap had the same prep he could have done the same as well. His brain power didnt stop him from getting badly beaten up by a weaker opponent than Captain America.
Originally posted by Raoul
would you happen to have the scans?
It was in herochats old Cap respect thread, which is no longer there...sorry.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Deathstroke is superior to Cap in almost every way.
Thats funny you said that taskmaster would beat cap for the majority and basically you're evidence failed looks like you're failing again.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Having defeated most of the Teen Titans and most of the league on his own, in addition to having enhanced and/or superhuman physique, as well as his 10x brain power should be more than enough to give him the win here.
Beating the Titans could be considered to be PIS. The league has already been explained. No proof has been given that his 10X brain power gives him the advantage over Cap or his stats.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes thats what I meant. DS was not weak.I think he had prep for The Atom I dont think that laser pointer is standard equipment.
The problem I have is I really dont see why Cap couldnt do the same if he had prep. Why couldnt Cap do the same to the Flash if he had explosives and he knew where he was going to go and why couldnt he figure that out if he knew him? After all Cap has tagged Quicksilver twice and Quicksilver has been shown to move his body so fast that he can become invisible (thats a Superman like feat). Also Flash doesnt always run FTL speed or light speed for that matter.
Why couldnt he punk Zatanna before she speaks does she have superhuman speed and martial training? Obvoulsy DS punked her despite her power level because she wasnt fast enough. Why couldnt he punk Hawkman? After all Cap with no SSS was able to make Thunderstrike look like a fool.
Furthermore it actually seems like a whole load of CIS and possibly PIS. Why on earth did they all wait in line to get punked by DS? For starters instead of Atom attacking him while DS was fighting other opponents he actually waits for DS to find him so he could get punked. If they all attacked him at once he would have got mullered. We also need to consider that apart from prep he possibly thought about what he was going to do prior to the battle eventhough he can think on the fly as well.
Despite this DS still has problems beating skilled street levelers he might be able to beat JLA with prep but going one-on-one with a skilled MA is another matter.
Well thats my point. So I dont see why he gets the majority.
Would he be able to beat them without the prep? The answer is no.
You're missing the point.
Cap>Batman.
If Batman can beat DS so badly why are you giving the majority to somebody superior to Batman.
You havent proven that DS brain power gives him the edge. As I explained earlier if Cap had the same prep he could have done the same as well. His brain power didnt stop him from getting badly beaten up by a weaker opponent than Captain America.
It was in herochats old Cap respect thread, which is no longer there...sorry.
instead of just looking blankly at your post and posting a rude smiley, i'm just not going to reply.
you just can't have cap lose, can you?
even though people have actually gone through the trouble of posting sufficient evidence, you make claims about how a laser pointer is prep. does cap have the eyesight to see him too?
Originally posted by Raoul
instead of just looking blankly at your post and posting a rude smiley, i'm just not going to reply.you just can't have cap lose, can you?
LOL that has nothing to do with it. You just cant take it when somebody doesnt agree with you.
Originally posted by Raoul
even though people have actually gone through the trouble of posting sufficient evidence, you make claims about how a laser pointer is prep. does cap have the eyesight to see him too?
I dont know if he has the sight to take the atom but again the laser pointer was prep.
I also explained in detail how cap could have done the same as well if he had prep and knew his opponents. If you want to ignore my points be my guest
Dont give me that crap ive also posted scans of batman beating the hell out of Deathstroke. Ive also stated that Batgirl gave DS trouble in h2h. Oh let me guess you ignored the evidence that backed up my case.
Are Batgirl and Batman > Cap so why one earth would I think DS beats Cap based on the scans. He maybe have been able to beat the JLA with prep but that doesnt stop him from having trouble with individual skilled street leverls, who are are weaker opponents than Captain America
You do this everything single time anybody disagress with you start taking the highier moral ground ridiculous. Hell I evengave examples of opponents that were comparable to GA and BC but somehow you want to ignore my points. So basically you are just basing you're argument on the JLA feat when there is other evidence to be considered.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats funny you said that taskmaster would beat cap for the majority and basically you're evidence failed looks like you're failing again.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Beating the Titans could be considered to be PIS. The league has already been explained. No proof has been given that his 10X brain power gives him the advantage over Cap or his stats.
How can it be PIS if he has done it several times?
I fail to see how superior strength, stamina, a healing factor, speed and brain power would NOT give him the edge in a fight..... Do you want scans where Deathstroke moves? or uses his arms?
Originally posted by Kris BlazeHow can it be PIS if he has done it several times?
How did he do it though. I am refering to where he takes them all on without any prep whatsoever.
Also Nightwing on his own has given DS problems so why on earth would be beat Nightwing and another bunch of heroes.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeI fail to see how superior strength, stamina, a healing factor, speed and brain power would NOT give him the edge in a fight..... Do you want scans where Deathstroke moves? or uses his arms?
How on earth does DS have superior brain power, speed strength and stamina when a weaker opponent to Captain America has beaten DS badly ie Batman.
Does batman have as much strength, stamina and as much brain power as DS does? DS won the fight but was badly beaten.
Does Batgirl have as much speed, strength and stamina is DS...nope. Hell it even looked like she beat him in a confrontation.
Captain America is superior to both Batman and Batgirl so why does DS get the majority.
Originally posted by Badabing
Your overall attitude, stating your opinion as fact, trolling, bashing, spamming......I told you next time it's a warning. So consider yourself warned now. Thanks.
Spamnming where, Trolling where? What on earth are you talking about?
Im not stating that its fact its jiust a figure of speech people do that shit all the time A> B and actually gave proof to back it up.