Sentry vs Juggernaut

Originally posted by The Pict
Double fisted blow? I have the comic open in front of me, his hands are open and he's just squeezing Juggernaut's helmet, to say that's a blow is just plain wrong.
Plus if it was a proper blow then Juggernaut would be affected in some way, right? But he's not, in fact if you look at the the panel where WWH's hands are on Juggs helmet he's the one who's growling in anger/pain/frustration. Juggernaut doesn't even notice in fact he's continuing the fight uninterrupted by that "proper blow" he's got his left hand, under or around WWH's throat.

Well i have the comic right in front of me as well. So this shud be really easy. The first thing that happens is juggernaut punches hulk. He then steps on the hulks head. Im sure thats clear in the comic in front of u. Next howveevr we see both Jugs and hulk up and we see the hulk rasing his hands up. For u to say that Jugs is not affeceted in any way makes me seriously wonder why u r not seeing what is on panel. In the panel that hulk is rasing his hands up( the one i say is a doublefisted punch) A dent is seen in jugs helmet, and jugs even makes an" HNGH!" sound. Look closely, im sure its there in ur comic as well. It is in the next panel below that hulk starts squeezing juggernauts head. Juggernauts hand is certainly not around hulks throat in a choke hold but is under hulks chin( it actually looks like its over his mouth) in an attempt to push hulk away from himself. Juggernaut then headbutts hulk and they start there pushing battle. Which part of this is different or is not evident in ur comic?

Originally posted by hulkcpbifiussjf
when did juggs ever hurt WWH. It was back n forth till the pushing contest then hulk didn't wanna waste anymore of his time. The Hulk that Sentry fought would have obliterated Juggs.

Juggernaut gets in more solid hits, and actually draws blood. Both groaned in pain once, but Hulk's was a bit more drawn out.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

Juggernaut gets in more solid hits, and actually draws blood. Both groaned in pain once, but Hulk's was a bit more drawn out.

Agreed. this is totally in line with what i described.

I don't really see Juggs groaning in pain. I just see it as a human reaction to being knocked back. It is basically the same as when Bone Claw Wolverine slashed at Hulks neck. Hulk made a sound as if he had his throat slit. But then he looked down to find out Logan didn't even cut him. Hulk didn't even have a scratch and was unhurt.

Juggernaut wins.

He is strong enough to hurt Sentry, Sentry can't hurt or stop him, and Juggernaut has inexhaustable stamina, Sentry does not, eventually Juggernaut wins.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I don't really see Juggs groaning in pain. I just see it as a human reaction to being knocked back. It is basically the same as when Bone Claw Wolverine slashed at Hulks neck. Hulk made a sound as if he had his throat slit. But then he looked down to find out Logan didn't even cut him. Hulk didn't even have a scratch and was unhurt.

Perhaps neither was critically injured just yet, but the fact that both groaned (whether it was a normal reaction, or one let out in pain) and that there was blood drawn indicates at least some damage was being done. If the fight had continued, I think Juggernaut would have taken it.

Hulk's reaction to bone-claw Wolverine's throat slash was more surprise and shock than a reaction to pain.

I've got to agree with Mungi's statement about Sentry being overrated (over in the Sentry vs. Alpha Flight thread). I think Juggernaut would win in a brawl between the two.

Yes, Sentry is over rated and can't compare feats with Juggernaut not alone a toe to toe brawl.

If this goes to a brawl, then Juggs most certainly takes it.

So... Juggs takes it then.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Perhaps neither was critically injured just yet, but the fact that both groaned (whether it was a normal reaction, or one let out in pain) and that there was blood drawn indicates at least some damage was being done. If the fight had continued, I think Juggernaut would have taken it.

Hulk's reaction to bone-claw Wolverine's throat slash was more surprise and shock than a reaction to pain.

I've got to agree with Mungi's statement about Sentry being overrated (over in the Sentry vs. Alpha Flight thread). I think Juggernaut would win in a brawl between the two.

Yeah, that's my point, I might have worded it wrongly. I was saying Juggs wasn't injured. He was hit in his helmet after all. Hulk was hurt, he was spitting blood up.

That was also, my point to the bone-claw/hulk thing. It was a reaction to the unexpected. I was applying it to the WWH/Cain fight.

In the end I agree. After the WWH fight, Sentry seemed to be nothing more than hype. I would expect the power of 1,000,000 exploding suns to effect more then a few blocks. It is more like the power of 1 / 1,000,000th of the power of 1 exploding sun.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Yeah, that's my point, I might have worded it wrongly. I was saying Juggs wasn't injured. He was hit in his helmet after all. Hulk was hurt, he was spitting blood up.

That was also, my point to the bone-claw/hulk thing. It was a reaction to the unexpected. I was applying it to the WWH/Cain fight.

In the end I agree. After the WWH fight, Sentry seemed to be nothing more than hype. I would expect the power of 1,000,000 exploding suns to effect more then a few blocks. It is more like the power of 1 / 1,000,000th of the power of 1 exploding sun.

The world is a happier place when people get along.

cheers

you forget the basic fact that King Hulk wasn't bothered. he was going easy on Juggernaut, just as he did to the X-Men minutes before, just as he kept doing all the way through to the very end... and then almost unleashing properly.

Hulk had an agenda and a timetable to stick to, he wasn't there to prove the obvious (that infinite strength is an awful lot more than required to ***** Juggernaut).

Originally posted by Mindset
Juggs was hurting WWH...

I don't know where you're getting Juggs can't hurt Sentry.

This says it all.

Juggernaut is on a different level.
As much as I hate to admit it, Classic or repowered Juggs is on more of a Silver Age Mangog level.

He is the character that Sentry and WWH have to team up against.

Originally posted by janus77
you forget the basic fact that King Hulk wasn't bothered. he was going easy on Juggernaut, just as he did to the X-Men minutes before, just as he kept doing all the way through to the very end... and then almost unleashing properly.

Hulk had an agenda and a timetable to stick to, he wasn't there to prove the obvious (that infinite strength is an awful lot more than required to ***** Juggernaut).

That "infinite strength" thing is bullshit, though. It's a theory. Hulk doesn't have a shown upper limit. That doesn't mean he automatically overpowers anyone he comes across, or starts punching holes in the fabric of reality.

He smacked around the X-Men, but then again, how many of them were physically in his league? Colossus was the closest in terms of strength and durability, but still outmatched.

Hulk tried going toe-to-toe with Juggernaut and was losing. Nobody goes toe-to-toe like that and takes it easy on someone. The fact that he's shown struggling says it all. He had to resort to a BFR to avoid a beat down, using Juggernaut's own momentum-- not through his strength alone.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
That "infinite strength" thing is bullshit, though. It's a theory. Hulk doesn't have a shown upper limit. That doesn't mean he automatically overpowers anyone he comes across, or starts punching holes in the fabric of reality.

so... umm, hope that helps 🙂

also, Hulk's physically durable enough to act as a nexus of realities, to have infinite universes of energies flow through him, to contain and to unleash that level of power ... basically he's pretty much what Marvel say he is "The Strongest One There Is" 🙂

sentry has not shown even close to enough power to stop juggs...until that day comes juggs wins

Originally posted by janus77
nope, you might wanna check some of the old Hulk feats.
The Leader tests Hulk's (actual, demonstrated) strength and states that it is "infinite". of course The Beyonder says Hulk's energies are infinite too, much like those of The Beyonder.

so... umm, hope that helps 🙂

also, Hulk's physically durable enough to act as a nexus of realities, to have infinite universes of energies flow through him, to contain and to unleash that level of power ... basically he's pretty much what Marvel say he is "The Strongest One There Is" 🙂

"Infinite" is an undefined amount. How the hell could the Leader conclude that the Hulk has infinite strength unless he used infinite resistance to test it, which is, well, IMPOSSIBLE.

Again, he hasn't shown a set upper limit, and he does have the POTENTIAL to get stronger, but it does not mean he has "infinite" strength. His tagline may be "The Strongest One There Is", but that's not always the case, is it?

So... Umm, hope that helps. 🙂

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
"Infinite" is an undefined amount. How the hell could the Leader conclude that the Hulk has infinite strength unless he used infinite resistance to test it, which is, well, IMPOSSIBLE.

Again, he hasn't shown a set upper limit, and he does have the POTENTIAL to get stronger, but it does not mean he has "infinite" strength. His tagline may be "The Strongest One There Is", but that's not always the case, is it?

So... Umm, hope that helps. 🙂

Just ignore Janus and his fanboy crap. Hulk doesn't have feats close to Superman/SMP/AS Supes.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Just ignore Janus and his fanboy crap. Hulk doesn't have feats close to Superman/SMP/AS Supes.

Janus hates Juggernaut.

BIAS!!!!! 😱

Originally posted by janus77
you forget the basic fact that King Hulk wasn't bothered. he was going easy on Juggernaut, just as he did to the X-Men minutes before, just as he kept doing all the way through to the very end... and then almost unleashing properly.

Hulk had an agenda and a timetable to stick to, he wasn't there to prove the obvious (that infinite strength is an awful lot more than required to ***** Juggernaut).