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First up, we see basically beginning of series Naraku releasing a "cloud of destruction" that vaporizes a forest and leaves behind a massive crater.
Then we see Naraku 2.0 beginning to disintegrate a mountain and finally we see the mountain collapse.
The first feat was effortless and the latter feat was just a side-effect and Naraku wasn't trying at all.
Now Naraku also has other powrs not shown. For instance, he has a barrier that covers all sides of his body and that is always up as long as he wills it. It took the Wind Scar
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With no problems. And as of his transformation, Naraku can redirect all energy that hits his barrier and rebound it on whoever attacked him.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Naraku doesn't have his heart with him so he can't die. I don't know why we're talking about a fight since we already know who the winner is.
The fight is pointless spite in Naraku favour. If one combatant can't die and can't be KOed, that's spite.
One can claim "BFR him to Hell with Yamato" but that won't work since Dante isn't aware of that aspect of his father's heritage and Naraku can BFR him as well.
As for "eat him alive"\absorb him- "composite Abigal" tried that but failed to kill Dante that way, but then "composite Abigal" was overpowered noob, who got schooled by Dante once he got serious.
And as for his "destruction clouds"- if that's some kind of mystical acid, then Dante is at disadvantage. He can survive in unhabitable atmosphere, but mystical acids put strain on his healing factor and reduce his durability, leaving him more vulnerable (proven by Leviathan's stomach acid (DMC3) and acid mist in DMC4- they strained his healing a lot). So...Dante seems to be at disadvantage here, but once again- I'm unaware whether that cloud is superpotent version of acid mist or anything else.
question, why are people discounting dante's feats from devil may cry 2? its cannon after all. also dark-jaxxx, fro the last time, STOP LYING OUT OF YOUR ASS! i said IF we consider feats in NOCTURNE to be cannon THEN dante can possibly beat licing tribunal{then and only THEN, do NOT bring this up again}.
as for lightspeed, shadow was a lightsepeed opponent and dante bested him. and dante can slow down time, so yes, he can battle lightspeed opponents. to claim that no1 in DMC dan destroy the world is a LIE again, mundus cud have destroyed the normal world if he was allowerd to fully come out. and the despair embodied can DEFINATELY destroy the world, it was an abstract being, a god, who embodied the concept of despair and was immortal, and dante STILL killed him, naraku's regenration isnt going to help him stay alive. seeing infact that a naraku with a perfect shikon no tama was KILLED by a purification arrow. there is NUTHING naraku can do to hurt dante, his poison and mist attacks are useless. {oh btw, in alastor's devil trigger form, dante can move as fast as lightening"lightening speed" } if you have something CANNON to go on, please continue to debate, if not, just dont. ive read the entire inuyasha manga, its one of my favourites. and naraku is very strong, stronger than people give him credit for, but dante is on a completely different level. he doesnt even have to KILL him, he simply has to DEFEAT him{and there is a difference}. and no, naraku cant absorb a demon of dante's calibre. he cudnt even absorb sesshomaru! besides, with dimension/time and teleportation control, dante will pretty much hand him his ass.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
question, why are people discounting dante's feats from devil may cry 2? its cannon after all. also dark-jaxxx, fro the last time, STOP LYING OUT OF YOUR ASS! i said IF we consider feats in NOCTURNE to be cannon THEN dante can possibly beat licing tribunal{then and only THEN, do NOT bring this up again}.as for lightspeed, shadow was a lightsepeed opponent and dante bested him. and dante can slow down time, so yes, he can battle lightspeed opponents. to claim that no1 in DMC dan destroy the world is a LIE again, mundus cud have destroyed the normal world if he was allowerd to fully come out. and the despair embodied can DEFINATELY destroy the world, it was an abstract being, a god, who embodied the concept of despair and was immortal, and dante STILL killed him, naraku's regenration isnt going to help him stay alive. seeing infact that a naraku with a perfect shikon no tama was KILLED by a purification arrow. there is NUTHING naraku can do to hurt dante, his poison and mist attacks are useless. {oh btw, in alastor's devil trigger form, dante can move as fast as lightening"lightening speed" } if you have something CANNON to go on, please continue to debate, if not, just dont. ive read the entire inuyasha manga, its one of my favourites. and naraku is very strong, stronger than people give him credit for, but dante is on a completely different level. he doesnt even have to KILL him, he simply has to DEFEAT him{and there is a difference}. and no, naraku cant absorb a demon of dante's calibre. he cudnt even absorb sesshomaru! besides, with dimension/time and teleportation control, dante will pretty much hand him his ass.
I'm not discounting his feats, darling. Only the thread author stipulated that he uses DMC4 Dante and DMC2 is chronologically AFTER DMC4. Thus DMC2 Dante with Super Sparda form etc isn't in play here. Thus we're talking about Dante who fought Mundus and "composite Abigal" (anime is before DMC4 in chronology).
The most powerful version of Dante is DMC2 one- that one has Super Sparda form with "instantly kill any demon" beam and would do rather well against Nataku.
The "lightning speed" was discussed and clearly IS a hyperbole (Dante sure as hell doesn't move at 50% of lightspeed in human form), but Dante's TOP speed feat is about 1% of lightspeed. Based on on-panel showings. Suspended shards put him in around Quicksilver level of speed in human form- Max 10. I've analysed every video in Dante's RT which I made and I know what I'm talking about.
But that Naraku guy has no real superspeed showings or at least people don't concentrate on them. So Dante can still move around his area attack.
Also, there's such thing as Pandora Box in play. How would Naraku fare against omnidirectional chaos blast, for example? Or 40+ homing missles coming at him from safe distance from "flying sauser" form of Pandora?
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Wow. i completely forgot about that.
I wonder if Naraku could absorb Dante.Charlotte, Naraku is made of hundreds of demons. He finds and absorbs other strong demons to gain more power.
One time he was skewered through the chest by a demon's arm and simply absorbed him that way. So I guess all he really has to do is weaken Dante and then touch him to start to pull the poor guy into his body.
I dunno if it would work though.
Funny thing is that some of Dante's powers (doppelganger, that is invulnerable to physical damage, BTW, and time manipulation, for example) were received via absorbtion of souls of other demons. So that may work both ways🙂)
The fight is pointless spite in Naraku favour. If one combatant can't die and can't be KOed, that's spite.
One can claim "BFR him to Hell with Yamato" but that won't work since Dante isn't aware of that aspect of his father's heritage and Naraku can BFR him as well.
Naraku can't be killed or KO'ed but he can be defeated. It's happened quit ea few times. he then flees.
This topic does not necessitate a kill for victory.
And I used DMC4 Dante because I used Naraku 2.0. Like Dante, this is not him at his strongest. He has several powerups after this incarnation in this fight
Also, there's such thing as Pandora Box in play. How would Naraku fare against omnidirectional chaos blast, for example? Or 40+ homing missles coming at him from safe distance from "flying sauser" form of Pandora?
It depends on what those things have done. Not al chaos blasts and missiles are created equal.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Naraku can't be killed or KO'ed but he can be defeated. It's happened quit ea few times. he then flees.
This topic does not necessitate a kill for victory.And I used DMC4 Dante because I used Naraku 2.0. Like Dante, this is not him at his strongest. He has several powerups after this incarnation in this fight
It depends on what those things have done. Not al chaos blasts and missiles are created equal.
It wrecked the army of giant toad-demons in cutscene...not that much compared to Naraku's feats of offence...but then- what are Naraku's best speed\mobility feats? Since 666 forms of Pandora Box (665 different weapons- from gatling gun to hybride of a turrel and flying sauser) can be used from quite a distance. Can Naraku dodge anti-air missle, which is homing and aimed at him from the mile away?
And it's said "fight to the death" in the starting post...But anyways, I'm not knowledgeable in Naraku and I've voiced my opinion on Dante& busted several myths here.
It wrecked the army of giant toad-demons in cutscene...not that much compared to Naraku's feats of offence...but then- what are Naraku's best speed\mobility feats? Since 666 forms of Pandora Box (665 different weapons- from gatling gun to hybride of a turrel and flying sauser) can be used from quite a distance. Can Naraku dodge anti-air missle, which is homing and aimed at him from the mile away?
On the speed note, he's shown he's faster than Inuyasha who has run faster than a train and dodged lightning. But that's about it for speed feats.
He mainly uses teleportation or dissolves himself into wind/energy in his miasma for movement.
As for dodging a homing missile...I dunno. Probably not.
And it's said "fight to the death" in the starting post...But anyways, I'm not knowledgeable in Naraku and I've voiced my opinion on Dante& busted several myths here.
lol Whaddya know it does say that. Well consider that part retracted at least.
And I do appreciate you coming in here and helping with the Dante support. Thanks.
Dante has better actual speed feats than Inyasha (running at Max 2-3 speeds even at his youngest version in DMC3; Alastor's upgrade puts his top combat speed at around Max 10, so outrunning the train is non-comparable to that, even considering that "Dante is a lightspeedster" claim is BS (which is).
Though Dante by the time of DMC4 prefers tactical teleportation himself (showing before the fight with Saviour), his speed doesn't decrease.
And as for homing missle- dissolving into miasma may help, but then it would be too much like Kain's tactic in VS fight (mist+teleport). Both opponents are teleporters, but Dante has better speed and range weaponry (including homing anti-air missles from "flying sauser" Pandora Box transformation).
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I'm not discounting his feats, darling. Only the thread author stipulated that he uses DMC4 Dante and DMC2 is chronologically AFTER DMC4. Thus DMC2 Dante with Super Sparda form etc isn't in play here. Thus we're talking about Dante who fought Mundus and "composite Abigal" (anime is before DMC4 in chronology).
The most powerful version of Dante is DMC2 one- that one has Super Sparda form with "instantly kill any demon" beam and would do rather well against Nataku.The "lightning speed" was discussed and clearly IS a hyperbole (Dante sure as hell doesn't move at 50% of lightspeed in human form), but Dante's TOP speed feat is about 1% of lightspeed. Based on on-panel showings. Suspended shards put him in around Quicksilver level of speed in human form- Max 10. I've analysed every video in Dante's RT which I made and I know what I'm talking about.
But that Naraku guy has no real superspeed showings or at least people don't concentrate on them. So Dante can still move around his area attack.Also, there's such thing as Pandora Box in play. How would Naraku fare against omnidirectional chaos blast, for example? Or 40+ homing missles coming at him from safe distance from "flying sauser" form of Pandora?
oh wait, ur a girl? oh, suddenly i feal a lot less hostile 🙂 .
i dont think the lightening speed is hyperbole, really, how many times has dante easily dodged lightening attacks and beam attacks. not to mention his win over shadow which moves at lightspeed, there is also, his fight with the lightening doplegangers. and ofcourse, the speed feat in devil may cry three which has him running so fast that the air around him starts glowing with heat like a meteor. he can also perceive and counter yamato's dimensional cuts, which are said to be of a speed beyond human or demon comprehension. also, wudnt quicksilver and the bangle of time put him at just about lightspeed?
also, ifrit has an omnidirectional attack too if u havent forgotten.
as for pandora's box, i dont really think it has 666 ACTUAL forms, i mean, there is the machine gun, the bowgun, the twin rocket launcher, the 4 rockect launchers, the chargeable laser, the spin wheel{flying saucer} the flying fortress with homing mizziles and the final chaos form which targets everything{did i miss one?}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh wait, ur a girl? oh, suddenly i feal a lot less hostile 🙂 .i dont think the lightening speed is hyperbole, really, how many times has dante easily dodged lightening attacks and beam attacks. not to mention his win over shadow which moves at lightspeed, there is also, his fight with the lightening doplegangers. and ofcourse, the speed feat in devil may cry three which has him running so fast that the air around him starts glowing with heat like a meteor. he can also perceive and counter yamato's dimensional cuts, which are said to be of a speed beyond human or demon comprehension. also, wudnt quicksilver and the bangle of time put him at just about lightspeed?
also, ifrit has an omnidirectional attack too if u havent forgotten.
as for pandora's box, i dont really think it has 666 ACTUAL forms, i mean, there is the machine gun, the bowgun, the twin rocket launcher, the 4 rockect launchers, the chargeable laser, the spin wheel{flying saucer} the flying fortress with homing mizziles and the final chaos form which targets everything{did i miss one?}
By "flying sauser" I mean the thing you call "flying fortress".
And when talking "no lightspeed movement" I specifically stated that I don't count teleportation\time manip. Time manipulation is automatically>>lightspeed but that doesn't translate in his acual combat speed.
I've analysed Blitzes\Hellhounds, the energy beam=lightspeed, but then once again- people lot slower than Max 10 (confirmed by feats top Dante's speed in human form) dodged lazers. The thing is that execution of attack is a lot slower than lightspeed. The meteor speed feat was around Max2-3 if you ask me.
Shadowporters are Nightcrawler analogue. Beleive me, if there were vague reason to say Dante's a lightspeedster, I'd have used it in RT.
There's 665+1 forms actually, gameplay has focused on a few. Have you noticed than the bigger the number, the more advanced the form? But that doesn't matter.
And I haven't forgotten the Inferno. But for some reason I think Cerberus' Million Carates (I think it's called so) omnidirectional ice attack would work on Naraku better- flash freeze his liquid form and then shatter it.
but your not considering that gameplay mechanics are the only things that make those feats look SLOW. for example you can actually SEE the progression of griffon's lightening strikes, when in fact in reality, they are as fast as any other lightening strike. might wanna take that into account.
actually to make the air around you burn liek that, id say you easily have to be in the mach 25 range. mach 2 doesnt even turn the body red hot.
and how exactly do you ACCESS these so called hundreds of forms? because ive never seen them being used.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
but your not considering that gameplay mechanics are the only things that make those feats look SLOW. for example you can actually SEE the progression of griffon's lightening strikes, when in fact in reality, they are as fast as any other lightening strike. might wanna take that into account.actually to make the air around you burn liek that, id say you easily have to be in the mach 25 range. mach 2 doesnt even turn the body red hot.
and how exactly do you ACCESS these so called hundreds of forms? because ive never seen them being used.
I don't doubt that attacks Blitzes perform come on lightspeed- lightning itself. But reflexes=\=movement speed.
Dante, though, has teleportation and time manipulation, so he doesn't need to actually run on those speeds.
To be Max 25 in that cutscene you'll have to assume that both Dante AND bullet from Ebony moved at Shuttle reentry speed...we can for sure assume that it was above Max 2, but reentry speed?I don't know.
But even with the speed around Max 10-15 in human form and up to 1% of lightspeed in demon form it's enough to make Naraku look like f*cking turtle.
And since Pyron_Knight has removed stupid stipulation "to the death" (Naraku can't die normally so that's pointless), I've already provided the best way of KO- flash freeze his miasma body with Cerberus and then shatter it.
^yes mut MAGICAL damage can do a lot.{similar to how the purification arrows **** naraku up even without his heart}. and what i was saying about the lightening was that it was SLOWED DOWN for gameplay mechanic so the player cud just see its progression. similarly dante's speed etc in slowed down in gameplay, when in reality he is much much faster.
and ive confirmed that there arent any more forms to the pandora than i described.