Sephiroth Vs. Archimonde

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Now you are clearly trolling. You have done it so much, you have screwed up your trolling tactics. Remember, this is exactly what he used to say about Sargeras, and Archi has never been killed by any kinda mage.

Sephiroth's intangibility has only been shown to be a slow type of intangibility, only good for going through walls or floors, but we must assume he can do it fast? Lol.

Oh, and in FFVII: AC, I suppose that not using his intangibility to avoid the Omnislash V.5 was just an attempt to "torture" Cloud lol.

Humorous stuff.

The closest thing to a "mage" that has defeated Archimonde (Note defeated, not killed), was Malfurion when he was bloodlusted (Bloodlusted as in "You've killed the Demi-Gods of Azeroth, my beloved master, your conquering the world, you've corrupted my brother, but your NOT reaching this well"). And all he did was cause annoyance to Archimonde, who decided to retreat rather than deal with the issue. After all, Archimonde had just slained all the Demi-Gods of Azeroth. There was no reason for him to stick around 😛

You make Malfurion sound more impressive than he was. Malfurion when he got enraged smothered Archimonde in roots from the earth. He did prevent Archimonde from moving, but it wasnt an actual defeat. As you said, it was more of an annoyance. I'd rather call what actions Archimonde took then as "tactical maneuver" than "fleeing".

As you said, Archimonde had just brought down every Demi-God on Azeroth. He was more than satisfied with the battle. He was indeed going for the finishline, but who can blame him for not going trough with it. Whichever way you look on the battle, Archimonde had already won. The final line of defense was down and the Moon Guards was pretty much just a matter of time.

Malfurion, Rhonin, Krasus and the others knew this. They knew they were screwed, and so did Archimonde. What neither one of the two sides expected, was that the flights would come for assistance. Had they not come, Archimonde would have brought down the Moon Guards. Their arrival forced an alternative strategy, which resulted in their demise.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Oh, and in FFVII: AC, I suppose that not using his intangibility to avoid the Omnislash V.5 was just an attempt to "torture" Cloud lol.
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Is there a magical touch to omni-slash, or is it just a lot of physical slashes in a very fast pace?

No one knows, its just a PIS move, its not physical, most likely spirit.

I do not know how many incarnations of Sephiroth there is, but has he ever died in battle? I mean, without "PIS" being involved

Originally posted by Terryc250
No one knows, its just a PIS move, its not physical, most likely spirit.

Reported for baiting, bashing and being off-topic.

Schwarzie, you know we don't tolerate such behavior around here, thanks.

Don't do it again.

Originally posted by Becci
You make Malfurion sound more impressive than he was. Malfurion when he got enraged smothered Archimonde in roots from the earth. He did prevent Archimonde from moving, but it wasnt an actual defeat. As you said, it was more of an annoyance. I'd rather call what actions Archimonde took then as "tactical maneuver" than "fleeing".

As you said, Archimonde had just brought down every Demi-God on Azeroth. He was more than satisfied with the battle. He was indeed going for the finishline, but who can blame him for not going trough with it. Whichever way you look on the battle, Archimonde had already won. The final line of defense was down and the Moon Guards was pretty much just a matter of time.

Malfurion, Rhonin, Krasus and the others knew this. They knew they were screwed, and so did Archimonde. What neither one of the two sides expected, was that the flights would come for assistance. Had they not come, Archimonde would have brought down the Moon Guards. Their arrival forced an alternative strategy, which resulted in their demise.

Remember, Malfurion's pretty much embodied with the strength of the planet itself, if Archimonde had not teleported he would have been owned, likely turned into a tree like Xavius was; that was a clear defeat on his part.

I will try find the exact page, but from how I recall it, according to the narrator, Archimonde was just frustrated over the hinderance and that he could not move.

Indeed, a bloodlusted druid aint someone you want as an enemy. Xavius learnt that the hard way. Twice. I will look up the page where Malfurion used fury against Archimonde, and I'll write down the exact words. Seems I need to refreshen my memories.

I must admit DarkC I'm with Becci on this one, sure Archimonde was the one that gave ground, but he left a battlefield having robbed the Night Elfes of there most powerful Demigod, also if I recall correctly Archimonde didn't at any time engage Malfurion in battle, the veins growed around him he ripped them away then they come again, he then teleported away, granted, but he could have teleported a few clicks away, have cast immolate and burned away the veins and have fried Malfurion with a finger of death ore ripped him apart with telekinese. From my point of view he didn't because was no reason for Archimonde to stay behind and risk anything all demigods where dead ore incapacitated what was left was from his perspective most likely only a clean up.

just my quiet opinion from the side line

While I was searching for the page, I found something interesting that might grant a sample of Archimonde's magical extent.

According to the narrator of The Sundering, Archimonde actually barried the Emerald Dream out of certain zones. Which means that Archimonde pretty much has cross-dimensional abilities. He did not want the druids of the Emerald Dream to snoop around.

Or am I wrong?

In truth I cannot recall and canno check but that would mean that Archimonde basically shuts down Yseras control over her own realm... Insane...

Originally posted by Becci
Reported for baiting, bashing and being off-topic.

Granted it was a hindrance at first, or what Archimonde said, but when the vines kept strangling him without any pause despite his efforts, the book described his efforts as "growing ever frantic", despite his normal face. Considering that his face remains impassive most of the time anyways, I would say that this was him starting to give.

As Utrigita said, he teleported away not wanting to risk anything - which basically meant "saving his own skin". He could have easily came back and wiped everyone. At least he marked Malfurion for later.

He did bar the palace from the Emerald Dream - but it doesn't really mean too much of his power. Think of it as a ward. Even if it was a standard ward against demons, Sargeras would still have trouble breaking through despite being a god (as shown in The Last Guardian). I wouldn't take it so far as to say that he shut down Ysera's control over that realm, because Malfurion did nothing to ask her to go check it out - she probably just didn't notice or care.

Originally posted by Utrigita
In truth I cannot recall and canno check but that would mean that Archimonde basically shuts down Yseras control over her own realm... Insane...

It said he had created a barrier to block out the Emerald Dream. It was so long since I read the book, so I cant recall the extent of it. Heh, I didnt even remember him doing it before I read it now 😛

I assume it was a "general" barrier to prevent any non-physical aspects from getting into the palace.

Emerald Dreamstate, magical scrying gems, none of it would work.

I find it an impressive feat 😄

I suppose maybe in the practical sense, but not in reality; it's like saying an apprentice was powerful because he made a basic ward that stopped a rampaging army of demons.