Archimonde is fine? Getting delayed at mount Hyjal and beaten down to 10% health from a group of heroes when Malorne could hardly put a scratch on him?
No the entire idea of you surviving more then 10 seconds against Kil'Jaeden is just as laughable, Kil'Jaeden would apon entry have blasted Darkness of a Thousand Souls instantly killing every single Hero.
And if WAR have a large plan about scrapping there Lore too I'm going to get really sorry for even ordering it.
Well, they did an OK job with Archimonde's defeat. Adding the nature touch in the end and those kinda stuff (Lame, but if you close your eyes tight enough, you can pretend it's nature herself). Acceptable. Still, could've been done better. Much better.
Yeah, Kil'Jaeden is greatly weakened, but it's not exactly fitting his personality to be caught in such a trap. His defeat powerwise is fully alright by me, but why did he enter a portal that wasnt safe on the other side? 😛
Originally posted by Utrigita
Archimonde is fine? Getting delayed at mount Hyjal and beaten down to 10% health from a group of heroes when Malorne could hardly put a scratch on him?No the entire idea of you surviving more then 10 seconds against Kil'Jaeden is just as laughable, Kil'Jaeden would apon entry have blasted Darkness of a Thousand Souls instantly killing every single Hero.
And if WAR have a large plan about scrapping there Lore too I'm going to get really sorry for even ordering it.
Anveena did sacrefice herself to weaken him. She is the essence of the Sunwell after all. Quite the weakening.
This is gameplay guys, the likeliness of characters slowly hitting instead of running,strafing and leaping on their enemies or wizards spraying the area with spells as they would in story mode is impossible for WoW or gaming engines, you cant choose gameplay for lore, you cant say "omg this gameplay doesnt show lore" thats ridiculous because the gameplay isnt lore anyway, also what about the buff you get? that is supposed to represent the wisp powers.
It was the shadw of kiljaeden wasnt it? not at full power? also whats Darknesss of a thousand souls? also wasnt the blue dragon protecting them with its spells, in the game you need to stand by and get buffs from the dragon or you DO get wiped in one shot by his massive blast.
Originally posted by Burning thought
This is gameplay guys, the likeliness of characters slowly hitting instead of running,strafing and leaping on their enemies or wizards spraying the area with spells as they would in story mode is impossible for WoW or gaming engines, you cant choose gameplay for lore, you cant say "omg this gameplay doesnt show lore" thats ridiculous because the gameplay isnt lore anyway, also what about the buff you get? that is supposed to represent the wisp powers.It was the shadw of kiljaeden wasnt it? not at full power? also whats Darknesss of a thousand souls? also wasnt the blue dragon protecting them with its spells, in the game you need to stand by and get buffs from the dragon or you DO get wiped in one shot by his massive blast.
I do agree with you. Both fights are acceptable cases. Nothing compared to the Dar'Khan matter, but it is still hard to imagine. Archimonde walked straight trough Mount Hyjal in WC3. In WoW he was actually damaged. I personally think the Archimonde fight should've been different. Could've still been, but different.
Originally posted by Burning thought
This is gameplay guys, the likeliness of characters slowly hitting instead of running,strafing and leaping on their enemies or wizards spraying the area with spells as they would in story mode is impossible for WoW or gaming engines, you cant choose gameplay for lore, you cant say "omg this gameplay doesnt show lore" thats ridiculous because the gameplay isnt lore anyway, also what about the buff you get? that is supposed to represent the wisp powers.It was the shadw of kiljaeden wasnt it? not at full power? also whats Darknesss of a thousand souls? also wasnt the blue dragon protecting them with its spells, in the game you need to stand by and get buffs from the dragon or you DO get wiped in one shot by his massive blast.
In Blizzards world Lore and Gameplay is tightly connected, and you don't quiet get what it is that we are unhappy about it's that they choose to pit Characters that show in the lore that Blizzard approves that 5 heroes will get squashed while they ingame shows the exact opposite.
Yes but still, the Darkness of a thousand souls is the massive blast that a Dragon shields you from, in WotA a Dragon got killed by a gesture from Archimondes hand, yet here a Dragon is capable of raising some kind of magical buff thing that makes sure you doesn't die, A dragon basically overwrites the sorcery of Kil'Jaeden please, this is the kind of things that I doesn't like about WoW they could have made something about that Anveena uses her power to reinforce the Buff ore Malygos and a aspect ore something but not a "regular" blue Dragon. That they could have handled better along with the Archimonde incidents, both are useable (If I close my eyes and says nothing to myself for the next five minutes) my point is that they could have made both (along with numerous other) incidents better and still have sticked to the lore.
Originally posted by Utrigita
In Blizzards world Lore and Gameplay is tightly connected, and you don't quiet get what it is that we are unhappy about it's that they choose to pit Characters that show in the lore that Blizzard approves that 5 heroes will get squashed while they ingame shows the exact opposite.Yes but still, the Darkness of a thousand souls is the massive blast that a [b]Dragon
shields you from, in WotA a Dragon got killed by a gesture from Archimondes hand, yet here a Dragon is capable of raising some kind of magical buff thing that makes sure you doesn't die, A dragon basically overwrites the sorcery of Kil'Jaeden please. [/B]
It may be ,but not that tightly, youll never find in true lore "10 random low level heroes destroyed important character A" theyll likely overwrite it with a more important character defeating an important character. Also you cant expect them not to have any bosses, do you really not want any good bosses in WoW? i mean sure you may not play it (i thot you did but ime not sure, my memories bad) but anyone who does would be bored out of their minds if all they fought is random bosses with pointless names that blizzard simply took out of a hat, wheras not only is fighting major characters like Killy a lot more fun and exciting, it also sells 😉 if the new exp pack was "wrath of (insert random character name out of a hat here)" nobody would be half as interested.
Perhaps he does, I mean the dragon that got crushed with a movement of Archimonde, does it actually say the Dragon was shielded or protected, humans can build heavy armor but that doesnt mean they always wear it and so can be killed by simple wounds that they would not without the armor, also as I said, I dont belive thats full powered kiljaeden, just a Shade or thats how I understood it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Perhaps he does, I mean the dragon that got crushed with a movement of Archimonde, does it actually say the Dragon was shielded or protected
He defeated an adult dragon with a gesture. Shielded or not, that is an utmost impressive feat. Dragons are known to be highly endurant to damage.
Originally posted by Burning thought
It may be ,but not that tightly, youll never find in true lore "10 random low level heroes destroyed important character A" theyll likely overwrite it with a more important character defeating an important character. Also you cant expect them not to have any bosses, do you really not want any good bosses in WoW? i mean sure you may not play it (i thot you did but ime not sure, my memories bad) but anyone who does would be bored out of their minds if all they fought is random bosses with pointless names that blizzard simply took out of a hat, wheras not only is fighting major characters like Killy a lot more fun and exciting, it also sells 😉 if the new exp pack was "wrath of (insert random character name out of a hat here)" nobody would be half as interested.Perhaps he does, I mean the dragon that got crushed with a movement of Archimonde, does it actually say the Dragon was shielded or protected, humans can build heavy armor but that doesnt mean they always wear it and so can be killed by simple wounds that they would not without the armor, also as I said, I dont belive thats full powered kiljaeden, just a Shade or thats how I understood it.
They uses characters from books and other media in there games as killable ore defeatable characters to me that is having a tight relationship. Did I say that ... no I didn't, did I say that the way they have made the Boss battles on could be better ... Yes. No I doesn't play it so your memory is fine, so you say it's because of the fancy bosses in the game that people play it? If I ask about Ysera in WoW how many are going to tell me who Ysera is?
I'm a bit in doubt either it was a Blue Dragon ore a Bronze Dragon, and yes I believe it was shielded but even then Dragon have a high degree of resistance to magic, and it was broken with a gesture, and a simple wound getting all of scales torn off I don't think classify as a simple wound getting all you skin torn off would hurt as hell. It wasn't full powered Kil'Jaeden but still a Dragon should have stood no chance against him and his spells.
Either way we have all (more ore less) agreed on Archimonde winning, isn't this in that case spamming?
Originally posted by Utrigita
They uses characters from books and other media in there games as killable ore defeatable characters to me that is having a tight relationship. Did I say that ... no I didn't, did I say that the way they have made the Boss battles on could be better ... Yes. No I doesn't play it so your memory is fine, so you say it's because of the fancy bosses in the game that people play it? If I ask about Ysera in WoW how many are going to tell me who Ysera is?I'm a bit in doubt either it was a Blue Dragon ore a Bronze Dragon, and yes I believe it was shielded but even then Dragon have a high degree of resistance to magic, and it was broken with a gesture, and a simple wound getting all of scales torn off I don't think classify as a simple wound getting all you skin torn off would hurt as hell. It wasn't full powered Kil'Jaeden but still a Dragon should have stood no chance against him and his spells.
Either way we have all (more ore less) agreed on Archimonde winning, isn't this in that case spamming?
Yes, a lot of people who play WoW, are actually old Warcraft fans, or most of the people who play WoW, eventually get the older games like Warcraft 3 and learn the story simply because htey like WoW anyway, I play the game not just because it looked good, but because I wanted to see the Warcraft universe in that setting and play as my own character in Warcraft, not just because it was some random RPG I wanted to play, I think a lot of people know who Lich King is however, Archimonde, Kiljaeden and most of the more main characters, Ysera is not half as important to anyone.
If it was not fully powered then who are you measuring this power of kiljaeden against, who else has faced this exact same power levle of kiljaeden?
I dont know if it is or not, you guys all started the debate and ill simply continue until it dies or is closed I guess since in the end some of the information I think were saying could be important in the non belivers in Archimondes power to understand who he really is. for example the bit about being able to smash a dragon so easily with a gesture, the weak Sephiroth would be even easier meat
Originally posted by Becci
He defeated an adult dragon with a gesture. Shielded or not, that is an utmost impressive feat. Dragons are known to be highly endurant to damage.
sure impressiv,e but the important thing is whether it was shielded or not, then you could determine the power of a shield, but it would be impossible to truly determine the shield used to stop Kiljaedens blast because in the end ime sure not eveyr dragon power is the same.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes, a lot of people who play WoW, are actually old Warcraft fans, or most of the people who play WoW, eventually get the older games like Warcraft 3 and learn the story simply because htey like WoW anyway, I play the game not just because it looked good, but because I wanted to see the Warcraft universe in that setting and play as my own character in Warcraft, not just because it was some random RPG I wanted to play, I think a lot of people know who Lich King is however, Archimonde, Kiljaeden and most of the more main characters, Ysera is not half as important to anyone.If it was not fully powered then who are you measuring this power of kiljaeden against, who else has faced this exact same power levle of kiljaeden?
I dont know if it is or not, you guys all started the debate and ill simply continue until it dies or is closed I guess since in the end some of the information I think were saying could be important in the non belivers in Archimondes power to understand who he really is. for example the bit about being able to smash a dragon so easily with a gesture, the weak Sephiroth would be even easier meat
And I'm very glad it is that way, but I'm getting quiet negative impressions when I hear about from my friends that have left it because they feel the tone in there have been drastically altered and those that are playing it now are playing it with no interest in the story and screams NOOB when a person kindly ask about help. Yes you know all the major characters but that doesn't allow, from my point of view at least, blizzard to completely ruin every character that has been shown beyond Warcraft III. Ysera is currently fighting the Nightmare thing in her own Dimension something you can help her with what about Malygos, Deathwing, Aszhara, Malorne do they know them?
What?
Yes he would.
Actually would adding this each time Archimonde ftw show that one stays on topic (to some degree)
Originally posted by Burning thought
sure impressiv,e but the important thing is whether it was shielded or not, then you could determine the power of a shield, but it would be impossible to truly determine the shield used to stop Kiljaedens blast because in the end ime sure not eveyr dragon power is the same.
I'm not sure if it was ever specified that the dragon was shielded.