Originally posted by TricksterPriestAmazo at his peak was Amazo with half of Hourman's powers... You could argue that Amazo could be quick on the draw and pause time or summon versions of himself, all in an attempt to stall Thanos and copy the Infinity Gauntlet, but there's two things you don't appear to be considering:
the Gog's power will give him enough time to copy the IG itself.
1) Thanos w/ IG already starts the battle with complete mastery over time. Amazo starts with, for lack of a better term, half. So in a quick draw session, a full Infinity Gauntlet trumps half a Worlogog, whether or not you decide to believe that the Worlogog is equal to the Infinity Gauntlet.
2) And considering that Amazo was only able to copy half of Hourman's powers... what makes you think he'll be able to copy the full Infinity Gauntlet?
Also, Amazo with half of Hourman's powers never demonstrated anywhere near the level of supreme power you're alluding to. And he was about as whiny as you could get to boot. Thanos may always end up subconsciously giving up supreme power, but he never whined like this:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Amazo at his peak was Amazo with half of Hourman's powers... You could argue that Amazo could be quick on the draw and pause time or summon versions of himself, all in an attempt to stall Thanos and copy the Infinity Gauntlet, but there's two things you don't appear to be considering:[b]1)
Thanos w/ IG already starts the battle with complete mastery over time. Amazo starts with, for lack of a better term, half. So in a quick draw session, a full Infinity Gauntlet trumps half a Worlogog, whether or not you decide to believe that the Worlogog is equal to the Infinity Gauntlet.2) And considering that Amazo was only able to copy half of Hourman's powers... what makes you think he'll be able to copy the full Infinity Gauntlet?
Also, Amazo with half of Hourman's powers never demonstrated anywhere near the level of supreme power you're alluding to. And he was about as whiny as you could get to boot. Thanos may always end up subconsciously giving up supreme power, but he never whined like this:
THIS.
Amazo has no shot at all here. And comparing the 'gog to the IG is lunacy. The Gog was destroyed utterly by superman's HEAT VISION. (Rock of Ages, JLA)
Every abstract combined couldn't even scratch Thanos/Magus when he had it, and Warlock one shot KOed all of them simultaneously (yes, ALL of them) before he gave it up. how anyone thinks peak amazo somehow has more power than death, eternity, infinity, several celestials, galactus, the stranger, oblivion etc put together is a mystery to me.
Only the tribunal (acting as the rep of TOAA) even had a chance at matching him, and even he admitted that an all out battle between himself and warlock would lay waste to all reality in the process.
The IG is leagues and leagues past the 'gog. Total control of not only time and space, but reality, power, and the soul.
The Ultimate Nullifier can completely erase individuals or even entire timelines in the blink of an eye, as if they never existed. The IG is FAR more powerful.
Hell, Amazo can and would likely be completely depowered and his atoms scattered across the omniverse before he knew what happened.
this is massive spite.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
[B]THIS.Amazo has no shot at all here. And comparing the 'gog to the IG is lunacy. The Gog was destroyed utterly by superman's HEAT VISION. (Rock of Ages, JLA)
Every abstract combined couldn't even scratch Thanos/Magus when he had it, and Warlock one shot KOed all of them simultaneously (yes, ALL of them) before he gave it up. how anyone thinks peak amazo somehow has more power than death, eternity, infinity, several celestials, galactus, the stranger, oblivion etc put together is a mystery to me.
Only the tribunal (acting as the rep of TOAA) even had a chance at matching him, and even he admitted that an all out battle between himself and warlock would lay waste to all reality in the process.
The IG is leagues and leagues past the 'gog. Total control of not only time and space, but reality, power, and the soul.
The Ultimate Nullifier can completely erase individuals or even entire timelines in the blink of an eye, as if they never existed. The IG is FAR more powerful.
Hell, Amazo can and would likely be completely depowered and his atoms scattered across the omniverse before he knew what happened.
this is massive spite. [/B]
Your post is basically mostly wrong. Amazo doesn't win this. But get your facts str8 on what the Gog is. How did superman destroy it when a part of it was being used in the brave and the bold?
Also how does the Gog not have power over the very same aspects that the IG does when extant created an entire universe and EVERYTHING that comes along with it. Lives, Souls, minds, etc. Please inform me how does one do that without mastery over those elements?
Since when did the IG have total control over anything? It has shown total control over those concepts with IN any given universe. And even then, I'd say not the mind. becuz if the wielder had control over the mind, then how come people are still able to resist and mount an attack against the IG user?
Originally posted by fangirl101
Your post is basically mostly wrong. Amazo doesn't win this. But get your facts str8 on what the Gog is. How did superman destroy it when a part of it was being used in the brave and the bold?
i do have my facts straight. Superman destroyed it, creating two divergent timelines, one in which the gog was obliterated and darkseid took over the planet earth. the intervention of a corrupt metron as well as hourman and the inhabitants of wonderworld allowed Kyle Rayner, the flash, and aquaman to restore the timeline as it was. SO, the 'gog survived in the new "corrected" timeline, but in the original one was obliterated. By heat vision. In contrast, nothing has ever been shown to be able to destroy even one gem, let alone the entire gauntlet.
Also how does the Gog not have power over the very same aspects that the IG does when extant created and entire universe and EVERYTHING that comes along with it. Lives, Souls, minds, etc. Please inform me how does one do that without mastery over those elements?
the gog itself is a map/tool of space/time. It is NOT a soul, reality, mind, or power manipulator (as the IG is.) at best everything it can do can be done by 2/5ths of the IG.
Since when did the IG have total control over anything? It has shown total control over those concepts with IN any given universe.
Since magus used it to control/manipulate more than one with an INCOMPLETE gauntlet? It's also been stated ON PANEL to exceed the abilities of not one but dozens of cosmic cubes (which are multiversal) as well as to casually deflect a blast from the UN (which is ALSO multiversal). Check the respect threads.
Again, per the LT an all out fight between warlock with the gem and himself would lay waste to all reality in the process. Not just 616 as the LT has been shown to be more than willing to sacrifice one universe for the sake of others...ALL of it.
And even then, I'd say not the mind. becuz if the wielder had control over the mind, then how come people are still able to resist and mount an attack against the IG user? [/B]
the power of the IG is dependent on the user's skill with it- and some of the "people" that mounted an attack against aren't alive (see: the abstracts) and don't have minds as we understand them. There's also simplicity to consider. Why attempt to mind control them all (when Thanos, Warlock, and Magus weren't really telepaths) when you could simply blast them to atoms?
Originally posted by Space M ummy
i do have my facts straight. Superman destroyed it, creating two divergent timelines, one in which the gog was obliterated and darkseid took over the planet earth. the intervention of a corrupt metron as well as hourman and the inhabitants of wonderworld allowed Kyle Rayner, the flash, and aquaman to restore the timeline as it was. SO, the 'gog survived in the new "corrected" timeline, but in the original one was obliterated. By heat vision. In contrast, nothing has ever been shown to be able to destroy even one gem, let alone the entire gauntlet.the gog itself is a map/tool of space/time. It is NOT a soul, reality, mind, or power manipulator (as the IG is.) at best everything it can do can be done by 2/5ths of the IG.
Since magus used it to control/manipulate more than one with an INCOMPLETE gauntlet? It's also been stated ON PANEL to exceed the abilities of not one but dozens of cosmic cubes (which are multiversal) as well as to casually deflect a blast from the UN (which is ALSO multiversal). Check the respect threads.
Again, per the LT an all out fight between warlock with the gem and himself would lay waste to all reality in the process. Not just 616 as the LT has been shown to be more than willing to sacrifice one universe for the sake of others...ALL of it.
the power of the IG is dependent on the user's skill with it- and some of the "people" that mounted an attack against aren't alive (see: the abstracts) and don't have minds as we understand them.
Also, How can something be destroyed in one time line and then come into being in a new time line when it is a mirror of reality? In order to destroy it, wouldn't the universe itself have to be destroyed?
Who said anything about destroing the guantlet?
when was it ever shown that a fight between the Lt, likely an mbody, and the Ig would destroy ALL reality? WTH?
So your saying that the Ig has been stated on panel to exceed the cosmic cubes which are multiversal but the magus used a cosmic cube to make ONE universe and then had to use the ig to Merge the other universe he created becuz it was faster? sounds fishy.
And the UN doesn't always perform multiversal feats. Galactus can blow up a star system. does that mean every blast he shoots out is star system level? So what makes you think just becuz the IG turned the energy on quasar or how ever the magus did it, that that automaticaly makes it multiversal?
Originally posted by fangirl101The Worlogog allowed him to manipulate Space and Time. Most of the feats I saw Extant do with it were based solely around manipulating those two things. Like taking away Jay Garrick's speed by changing the event that gave him his powers. Or hastening the end of the universe. Or transporting himself around, although he seemed to use the Moebius Chair for some of those feats. Don't know why.
First of all, The Gog has been described as a map of space and time. If that is all it is, then how come people can convert matter, destroy matter, rearrange, reality, create universes with it? It's just a damned map. Could have fooled me.Also, How can something be destroyed in one time line and then come into being in a new time line when it is a mirror of reality? In order to destroy it, wouldn't the universe itself have to be destroyed?
Who said anything about destroing the guantlet?
when was it ever shown that a fight between the Lt, likely an mbody, and the Ig would destroy ALL reality? WTH?
So your saying that the Ig has been stated on panel to exceed the cosmic cubes which are multiversal but the magus used a cosmic cube to make ONE universe and then had to use the ig to Merge the other universe he created becuz it was faster? sounds fishy.
And the UN doesn't always perform multiversal feats. Galactus can blow up a star system. does that mean every blast he shoots out is star system level? So what makes you think just becuz the IG turned the energy on quasar or how ever the magus did it, that that automaticaly makes it multiversal?
I do agree that Magus' feat does not automatically place the Infinity Gauntlet over the Ultimate Nullifier. Using that logic, Black Alice is also multiversal since she usurped the multiversal Spectre's powers.
And that logic makes Hulk angry. And you wouldn't like Hulk when he's angry... durhulk
Originally posted by fangirl101
Also, How can something be destroyed in one time line and then come into being in a new time line when it is a mirror of reality? In order to destroy it, wouldn't the universe itself have to be destroyed?
nope. think of it as a retcon. The gog was destroyed but the universe was not along with it. The flash, GL, and aquaman (using FTL bodies that could time travel...sorta) saw the ruined earth that resulted many years in the future, then traveled back in time to before the gog was destroyed and sent a telepathic alert to MM that allowed him to stop superman from obliterating it.
It sounds like you've never read rock of ages that explained all this. perhaps you should, then come back.
Who said anything about destroing the guantlet?
I did, since if you're going to put it on the same level as the IG, a simple durability comparison shows it's nowhere close. Heat vision destroyed the gog. this is fact, whether you're aware of it or not.
In comparison, nothing has ever been shown to be able to even scratch one gem, let alone the entire gauntlet.
when was it ever shown that a fight between the Lt, likely an mbody, and the Ig would destroy ALL reality? WTH?
Warlock and the infinity watch #1, stated by the LT himself.
So your saying that the Ig has been stated on panel to exceed the cosmic cubes which are multiversal but the magus used a cosmic cube to make ONE universe and then had to use the ig to Merge the other universe he created becuz it was faster? sounds fishy.
It's only fishy if your understanding is poor. Magus had a COLLECTION of cosmic containment units. not just one. And an act that would have taken hours with SEVERAL cubes was completed instantaneously with the gauntlet, because the gauntlet was more powerful. keep in mind that gauntlet he was using was incomplete.
And the UN doesn't always perform multiversal feats. Galactus can blow up a star system. does that mean every blast he shoots out is star system level? So what makes you think just becuz the IG turned the energy on quasar or how ever the magus did it, that that automaticaly makes it multiversal? [/B]
the UN is capable of multiversal level destruction if the user is competent enough. The fact that quasar couldn't hurt magus with it means one of two things:
1.) he didn't consider magus enough of a threat to go all out with it- essentially blasting him on "low"...which is a stupid enough assumption to be discarded immediately
OR
2.) Quasar simply wasn't a strong enough user to pull off a multiversal attack with it, as reed richard was. kind of an odd assumption, given that quasar's quantum bands are themselves difficult to control (quasar #1 has them annihiliating every other user that tried) but possible.
BUT
3.) if THAT's the case, then someone more powerful...perhaps galactus himself, since he was there...would have tried to use it to stop thanos, warlock, or magus when they were running around with the gauntlet. Yet, no one even made the attempt. The UN never came up. If it's multiversal power...which is enough to obliterate every reality in the MU when held by REED RICHARDS let alone an abstract...was sufficient to take out the gauntlet then someone would have tried. no one in all of reality did.
the only conclusion that makes any sense is that the gauntlet >>> the UN, as was shown in quasar v. magus.
There's also the issue of the combined power of the gems being used to merge marvel and the ultraverse together, which clearly and indisputably demonstrates the gauntlet's power is multiversal.
seriously. all this is in the respect thread. go and brush up, then come back.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
nope. think of it as a retcon. The gog was destroyed but the universe was not along with it. The flash, GL, and aquaman (using FTL bodies that could time travel...sorta) saw the ruined earth that resulted many years in the future, then traveled back in time to before the gog was destroyed and sent a telepathic alert to MM that allowed him to stop superman from obliterating it.It sounds like you've never read rock of ages that explained all this. perhaps you should, then come back.
I did, since if you're going to put it on the same level as the IG, a simple durability comparison shows it's nowhere close. Heat vision destroyed the gog. this is fact, whether you're aware of it or not.
In comparison, nothing has ever been shown to be able to even scratch one gem, let alone the entire gauntlet.
Warlock and the infinity watch #1, stated by the LT himself.
It's only fishy if your understanding is poor. Magus had a COLLECTION of cosmic containment units. not just one. And an act that would have taken hours with SEVERAL cubes was completed instantaneously with the gauntlet, because the gauntlet was more powerful. keep in mind that gauntlet he was using was incomplete.
the UN is capable of multiversal level destruction if the user is competent enough. The fact that quasar couldn't hurt magus with it means one of two things:
1.) he didn't consider magus enough of a threat to go all out with it- essentially blasting him on "low"...which is a stupid enough assumption to be discarded immediately
OR
2.) Quasar simply wasn't a strong enough user to pull off a multiversal attack with it, as reed richard was. kind of an odd assumption, given that quasar's quantum bands are themselves difficult to control (quasar #1 has them annihiliating every other user that tried) but possible.
BUT
3.) if THAT's the case, then someone more powerful...perhaps galactus himself, since he was there...would have tried to use it to stop thanos, warlock, or magus when they were running around with the gauntlet. Yet, no one even made the attempt. The UN never came up. If it's multiversal power...which is enough to obliterate every reality in the MU when held by REED RICHARDS let alone an abstract...was sufficient to take out the gauntlet then someone would have tried. no one in all of reality did.
the only conclusion that makes any sense is that the gauntlet >>> the UN, as was shown in quasar v. magus.
There's also the issue of the combined power of the gems being used to merge marvel and the ultraverse together, which clearly and indisputably demonstrates the gauntlet's power is multiversal.
seriously. all this is in the respect thread. go and brush up, then come back.
Originally posted by fangirl101
So many things wrong with this. So many. Just becuz someone didn't try something in a story means that it wouldn't have worked. Indeed. I don't even feel like bothering with the rest. It won't do any good anyway. we are both going to think the way we think.
Whatever you say man. 😆 😆
I feel I did a pretty decent job of refuting/addressing any issues you had with my argument. If you choose "not to bother" from this point on, it's your choice.
Originally posted by fangirl101
So many things wrong with this. So many. Just becuz someone didn't try something in a story means that it wouldn't have worked. Indeed. I don't even feel like bothering with the rest. It won't do any good anyway. we are both going to think the way we think.
