Punisher vs Nightwing

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Um he stated that Bucky would kill him if they fought they fought and it ended in a stalemate. Why is NW > Bucky?

Originally posted by SamZED
When did they fight? I only remember that little fight (i wouldn't even call it a fight) after Cap's death. And I remember that Frank said that Bucky could kill him if they really fought h2h and he also said that Bucky's a retard if he thinks that Frank is affraid of him. 😄 That's how I remember it.

Frank put a gun to Buckys chin and he backed off from breaking his neck. Stalemate. It was in the lastest PWJ series scans should be in the respect thread cant be arsed to get them.

Originally posted by SamZED

And NW>Bucky because of the feats. I mean like being surrounded in a ROOM by a dozen soldiers with AKs and beating the crap outta them with his bare hands.

I really wouldnt be suprised if Bukcy could do the same. Howvere hes owned 2 of the Young Avenges and im pretty sure they could beat the crap out of a dozen soldiers.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You sure thats not because you like DC street better?

No, honestly I have more of a Marvel bias. I just think Dick is better

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No, honestly I have more of a Marvel bias. I just think Dick is better

Anyway im thinking maybe you could give some solid reasons as to why you think hes better.

Then I'd have to go thru the respect thread again and drag over scans...and that bores me. I judge Marvel and DC characters based off what I myself have seen...in terms of H2H I think they are equal, actually DD should win more often that not...everything else even with the exception of Agility, which NW is better imo. I cant remember any particular moment in his history where I was like "HEY NIGHTWING IS MORE AGILE THAN MATT BASED OFF THIS SCENE!!" but over the years i've formed my own opinions and unless proven otherwise I shall stick with them 😉

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Then I'd have to go thru the respect thread again and drag over scans...and that bores me. I judge Marvel and DC characters based off what I myself have seen...in terms of H2H I think they are equal, actually DD should win more often that not...everything else even with the exception of Agility, which NW is better imo. I cant remember any particular moment in his history where I was like "HEY NIGHTWING IS MORE AGILE THAN MATT BASED OFF THIS SCENE!!" but over the years i've formed my own opinions and unless proven otherwise I shall stick with them 😉

Yeah anyway I guess it would be silly to get into feat war pointless and uneccesary.....zzzzz.

Anyway I was just asking.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah anyway I guess it would be silly to get into feat war pointless and uneccesary.....zzzzz.

Anyway I was just asking.

Its cool sweetie 😄

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Frank put a gun to Buckys chin and he backed off from breaking his neck. Stalemate. It was in the lastest PWJ series scans should be in the respect thread cant be arsed to get them.

Originally posted by SamZED
You really think Bucky was gonna break his neck?

He really might have hes a trained killer and he was pissed off. Also if he really wanted im sure he knows ways in which he could apply enough pressure to KO him.

Originally posted by SamZED
And yes Frank had to pull a gun, means he knew he cant fight Bucky h2h.

Doesnt matter guns are allowed in this thread.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I just think Dick is better

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He really might have hes a trained killer and he was pissed off. Also if he really wanted im sure he knows ways in which he could apply enough pressure to KO him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Doesnt matter guns are allowed in this thread.

NW > Bucky

Originally posted by Mindset
NW > Bucky

Originally posted by SamZED
I do not doubt that he's physically capable of that. Im just saying I dont think he would've.

You could say the same thing for Punisher, at the end of the day they both had the opportunity.

Originally posted by SamZED

Yeah, but didn't you say that Punisher can win this fight h2h too? And if Frank can't beat Bucky and NW is either = or even more likely > than Bucky he'd definitely beat Frank in h2h fight.

Yeah but the problem with that is later on he stalemated a guy who beat Black Panther, and that was after fighting other superhumans and blacking out. 😬

I could also point out that WS's bionic arm is what gave Frank the problem and NW doesnt have one of those.

Originally posted by SamZED
My point exactly.

Not sure if you can prove that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Yeah but the problem with that is later on he stalemated a guy who beat Black Panther, and that was after fighting other superhumans and blacking out. 😬

I could also point out that WS's bionic arm is what gave Frank the problem and NW doesnt have one of those.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Not sure if you can prove that.

Originally posted by SamZED
That's another example of the ABC logic i've used earlier and I already admitted its stupid. Feats is what counts at the end of the day. And feats say that NW is stronger faster has better reflexes and is a better fighter than Punisher. Frank barely survived an ambush of few ninjas with katanas. Dick beats dozen ninjas with ease and for fun. And im not even talking about his bullet dodging feats.

1. Sometimes ABC logic isnt that bad, for example the opponents you can beat can indicate what tier you are in at least but not neccesarily who you will lose against in that tier.
2. Feats arent neccesarilay what counts thats what you're telling me. Every single opponent that Punisher has done well against has better feat than he does, so feats are not conclusive.

Originally posted by SamZED

Dont really have to. Feats speak for themselvs.

Well you gave one example and I matched it with something else. Anyway im not currently collecting Cap so I could missing some shit.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
It would end like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P35eZvHwDs8

I really don't think NW can handle everything Frank's gonna throw @him.

Originally posted by I-Drop
😂 Ditto. Or @least something like that. Has NW dodged full clips of automatic fire from anybody as skilled or more skilled than Frank?

I really don't think NW can handle everything Frank's gonna throw @him.

Who? Scans?

He's dodged more skilled marksman.