Originally posted by DarkSerpentJust because a technique exists, doesn't mean it's known by everyone.
if such techniques worked dont you think atleast someone at katarr would known them and beside from what visas said he more or less spoke and it was like ruusan but more thorough however he did spare miss marr noone knows why
Originally posted by Tangible God... you missed my point and the jedi order of that era was like the PT jedi but with the force...
Just because a technique exists, doesn't mean it's known by everyone.
only had to be known by someone...
and i also questioned whether it would work
vong were supposedly outside of the force and immune to it but somehow lightning still freakin worked
the same could be applicable to nihilus's power
and also it is not something he really directs just kinda does
palps was never a potential threat to ALL life the Lord Of Hunger however...
Originally posted by DarkSerpentThe Jedi Civil War Jedi were like the PT Jedi, but with the Force? The PT Jedi didn't have the Force?
... you missed my point and the jedi order of that era was like the PT jedi but with the force...only had to be known by someone...
and i also questioned whether it would work
vong were supposedly outside of the force and immune to it but somehow lightning still freakin worked
the same could be applicable to nihilus's power
and also it is not something he really directs just kinda does
palps was never a potential threat to ALL life the Lord Of Hunger however...
Lightning worked on the Vong because Lightning itself isn't the Force, it's fueled by the Force.
I don't expect everyone to be familiar with as much knowledge as the rest of us, but you're starting to get on my nerves. You spam and talk about penis all day and then when you want to debate, you disagree seemingly just to disagree.
Originally posted by DarkSerpent
if such techniques worked dont you think atleast someone at katarr would known them and beside from what visas said he more or less spoke and it was like ruusan but more thorough however he did spare miss marr noone knows why
The technique did work because that was how Palpatine shielded his presence from the Jedi all this time. Moreover, Palpatine's knowledge of the Force supercedes every other character from any time period. His knowledge of the Force is greater than Traya's, Nihilus's, Yoda's, Bane's. You name it, he knows more. So the idea that Sidious couldn't have known it because someone on Katarr didn't is retarded.
palps was never a potential threat to ALL life the Lord Of Hunger however...
Wrong. Palpatine was a threat to the galaxy, the universe, and life itself.
Originally posted by Gideon1 maybe 2 post
You spam and talk about penis all day
and then when you want to debate, you disagree seemingly just to disagree.wasnt refering to PALPs in terms of knowledge was talking about the PT jedi...The technique did work because that was how Palpatine shielded his presence from the Jedi all this time. Moreover, Palpatine's knowledge of the Force supercedes every other character from any time period. His knowledge of the Force is greater than Traya's, Nihilus's, Yoda's, Bane's. You name it, he knows more. So the idea that Sidious couldn't have known it because someone on Katarr didn't is retarded.
Wrong. Palpatine was a threat to the galaxy, the universe, and life itself.
not in the same way palp would most likely rather rule than exterminate
Finally got it down... i think
Gideon, I don't think Sidious would be able to disintegrate Nihilus' saber. We all agree he's incredibly adept at using the Force. I don't see Sidious ripping through his shields with anything other than a Force Storm or possibly Lightning.
I also don't see Vader's saber skills coming into play at all. The first senario is Force Only, so there goes that. The second is All-Out, and Nihilus or Traya could simply Force Sever/Drain him immediately. I know he's got the most Force potential of anyone, but ROTS Vader was not skilled with Force attacks or defense from what we've seen. Furthermore, he's never had to defend against the Sever technique and so would be unfamiliar with how to combat it.
Traya can use, what, four sabers at once (three telekinetically and one in her hand?), Nihilus is no slouch as we see from the game, and Sion was in charge of all the Sith Assassins wasn't he? Who were specifically trained to combat Force users. I can see DE Sidious surviving, but not frequently.
In fact, I might have to change my initial opinion on this match.
Originally posted by Enyaluspretty much my message De sids could possibly pull it off but anything less and the triunmvirate win..
Gideon, I don't think Sidious would be able to disintegrate Nihilus' saber. We all agree he's incredibly adept at using the Force. I don't see Sidious ripping through his shields with anything other than a Force Storm or possibly Lightning.I also don't see Vader's saber skills coming into play at all. The first senario is Force Only, so there goes that. The second is All-Out, and Nihilus or Traya could simply Force Sever/Drain him immediately. I know he's got the most Force potential of anyone, but ROTS Vader was not skilled with Force attacks or defense from what we've seen. Furthermore, he's never had to defend against the Sever technique and so would be unfamiliar with how to combat it.
Traya can use, what, four sabers at once (three telekinetically and one in her hand?), Nihilus is no slouch as we see from the game, and Sion was in charge of all the Sith Assassins wasn't he? Who were specifically trained to combat Force users. I can see DE Sidious surviving, but not frequently.
In fact, I might have to change my initial opinion on this match.
despite all the bias against them
telekinetic saber combat-could put near anakins head ignite dead... vader in suit would get slaughter.period.
One more thing...
Of course, it's possible that Palpatine can immerse himself in Quey'tek and kill Nihilus as he makes Anakin Skywalker a Force slurpee.
I'm not sure about this, but I don't believe Quey'tek would help Palpatine unless he's starting the battle from a location Nihilus can't see him. And, when he's immersed in the technique, would he even be able to do any of his own DS powers? My guess is not. I think he'd have to drop it as soon as he tries.
Originally posted by Gideon
It shields sensitivity. Nothing indicates it stops him from using the Force.
Shielding sensitivity wouldn't help him avoid the Triumvirate's force attacks, would it? Especially if they could actually see him so that they didn't need to feel his presence.
I'm asking. I don't know.
Come to think of it...isn't that how Sidious was beaten in Dark Empire? Luke and Leia combined their powers and Force Sever'd him. That's what it looked like, anyhow. Now, obviously Luke + Leia > Nihilus, but consider his and Traya's skill with the technique, and the fact that that wasn't NJO Luke...
"There are techniques in the force to which there is no defense." -Kreia, in that flashback movie and shortly after Nihilus drains the force from her. Now I'll grant that Kreia isnt an absolute source, but throughout kotor 2 she seemed extremely knowledgeable and competent about matters of the force.
And that quote is alot more persuasive evidence than the drivel that some of you came up with such as, "Sidious will sever his own force connection in order to fight Nihilus." Wtf? How would Sidious defeat Nihilus without being able to use the force?
Originally posted by Great VengeanceNot sever, mask. Hide his connection. Though it won't help him much, as they know he's there.
"There are techniques in the force to which there is no defense." -Kreia, in that flashback movie and shortly after Nihilus drains the force from her. Now I'll grant that Kreia isnt an absolute source, but throughout kotor 2 she seemed extremely knowledgeable and competent about matters of the force.And that quote is alot more persuasive evidence than the drivel that some of you came up with such as, "Sidious will sever his own force connection in order to fight Nihilus." Wtf? How would Sidious defeat Nihilus without being able to use the force?
And Kreia's not much of a source when it comes to power measures. I played through the game again recently and she contradicts an oft-quoted piece; "One cannot have power as he does and still perceive the Universe as we do." (Which itself is her opinion only). She goes on to say (not too long afterwards): "Power? You think so?" And I'm not citing that whole bit from memory, but she downplays Nihilus' power. Her's is opinion that's a bit biased from personal experience. She doesn't know Palpatine or his abilities, or whether or not he's learned these "defenses."
I still see DE Sidious winning this, though not Vader.