Druids outrage at Stonehenge!

Hi all,
I dont know how relavent this may be to you, but this is a matter of British heritage as well as spiritual belief. 😄

I stayed with my cousin last weekend, and we decided yesterday to go up to stonehenge as we had stumbled across some thing on the internet about a blessing ritual there.

So in the car we got an drove over 100 miles, with two hours in the car.

When we arrived the situation was very different from that we had read about.

At present there is an Archaeological dig up there looking at the human remains of the ancient guardians of the henge.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/programmes/stonehenge/

The druid and pagan societies were lead to believe that the bones would be moved to another hole near the henge and it was agreed that one of the covens would before a blessing on the bones.

However it soon became a very serious matter when we had all formed a circle. several people spoke on the matter:

Head of the druids: Arthur Pendragon (Who stated any one from the druid order or pagan groups present who intended to step foot on the ground of the henge in support for what the archaeologists planned to do would be ex-communicated!)

Stag Lord Taloc from the Dolmen Grove

A member of the Knight Templar (very over dramatic but quite impressive that it had drawn their attention as well)

We were all made aware that the people conducting the dig at the henge had no intention AT ALL of placing the bones back in the ground where they choose to be, where they have been for hundreds of years.
They are the magical connection to the henge, a place of great spiritual focus.

Following that the group who were to perform the blessing had their chance to speak and stated that they had not been made aware that there were no plans to put the bones back where they belong, and they felt very strongly that this was not acceptable and were very very upset about the whole issue.

Following that we opened the circle and calle dthe quarters. The ceremony was lead by Taloc and the aim was to make the gods and the ancients awaken and see what was happening in one of their scared henges and to stop it!

we then moved the procession further towards the Henge but not on the grounds of the henge. We closed the circle and departed.

I feel it is a violation of history, faith and heritage! Not to mention the wishes of the ancients who requested that their bodies lay in guardianship and protection of the henge!

British heritage is slowly being stripped away from us, this takes away our claim to who we are a people.

other countries embrace and preserve their heritage in its natural place, where as here in the UK they seem to think it would serve people better, and be better preserved in a plastic box in a museum!

This is like saying to the christian church, we want to dig up the bodies of the monarchs in canterbury cathedral and put them in a museum!

Its absolutely outrageous! the dead should be left to rest in peace, to do what they wished to do.
In this case they were to guard a magical sanctuary, and should be left to do so.
These archaeologists are nothing more than grave robbers!

Those that were gathered at the henge and myself have no problems with them taking a few of the bones for testing and then having them returned, but they want to take the ALL of them and NOT return them.

the general feeling amoungst the Pagan and Druid societies, is , PURE violation, outrage and disbelief that they wish to do this.

how many ancient Egyptian artifacts are in the London museum?

way too many they should have been left where they were found.

do the people doing this research have the right for you to not benefit from their findings?

Haha, weird lunatics.

Hope that illustrates the idiocy of random spiritual believes to some more people.

Originally posted by Lara
other countries embrace and preserve their heritage in its natural place, where as here in the UK they seem to think it would serve people better, and be better preserved in a plastic box in a museum!

what nation's practices are you referring to specifically?

With the exception of dismantling monuments, most nations have museums. Egypt doesn't want its artifact back to put them into the ground

*sigh* I guess I can understand why people want to put them back. *shrug*

ok I'll put it this way:

If your dying wish was to be buried in a specific place because it had specific meaning to you of great importance.

would you want so bunch of disrespecful grave robbers from generations down the line, come and dig you up and move you to some random place for others to gaupe at you and have no idea of who you were or what you did? you'd just be a skeleton in a see through box.

ok I'll put it this way:

If your dying wish was to be buried in a specific place because it had specific meaning to you of great importance.

would you want so bunch of disrespecful grave robbers from generations down the line, come and dig you up and move you to some random place for others to gaupe at you and have no idea of who you were or what you did? you'd just be a skeleton in a see through box.

I was being specific when I said other countries because there are many. Egypt only saw the money!

Originally posted by Lara
ok I'll put it this way:

If your dying wish was to be buried in a specific place because it had specific meaning to you of great importance.

would you want so bunch of disrespecful grave robbers from generations down the line, come and dig you up and move you to some random place for others to gaupe at you and have no idea of who you were or what you did? you'd just be a skeleton in a see through box.

I was being specific when I said other countries because there are many. Egypt only saw the money!

I wouldn't want that. Cause I'd be dead. Corpses shouldn't have any freaking rights. I assume that Stonehenge is public property? Then the government should be allowed to do whatever they want with any of it.

The government shouldn't exist though, just sayin.

ok so your telling me you'd be happy to dig up your grandmother and put her in a museum?????

there are still druids around?

Originally posted by Lara
ok so your telling me you'd be happy to dig up your grandmother and put her in a museum?????

As long as I don't have to do it.

But even if not, it's a different situation, because she is on a graveyard where I (my parents) pay money for her to stay. Therefore we have a contract with a private owner of land and the corpse is, basically, ours. The druids lived thousands of years ago, no one owns their bodies. And sure as hell no one pays money for them to be buried on public property.

Also, my grandma's are still alive. But that's beside the point, I figure.

Originally posted by Lara
ok I'll put it this way:

If your dying wish was to be buried in a specific place because it had specific meaning to you of great importance.

would you want so bunch of disrespecful grave robbers from generations down the line, come and dig you up and move you to some random place for others to gaupe at you and have no idea of who you were or what you did? you'd just be a skeleton in a see through box.

I was being specific when I said other countries because there are many. Egypt only saw the money!

Yeah I know. Do you have any proof they didn't want to be removed?

Originally posted by Lara
ok so your telling me you'd be happy to dig up your grandmother and put her in a museum?????

*sigh* My beef is that....I don't want to say it....I just don't see what connection you have with these dead people....

Originally posted by Strangelove
there are still druids around?

Well yeah.....

Originally posted by Lara
ok so your telling me you'd be happy to dig up your grandmother and put her in a museum?????

2 = 1 ?

Originally posted by Lara
would you want so bunch of disrespecful grave robbers from generations down the line, come and dig you up and move you to some random place for others to gaupe at you and have no idea of who you were or what you did?

disrespectful grave robbers?

I'll ask again, do these researchers have the right to forbid you from gaining anything from their study of these bones?

and just as a point, I could have used derogatory language to refer to the bones, yet I did not. Surely you can see the difference between archeology and robbery, so lets not make unnecessarily divisive comments.

also, the point of putting things into a museum and researching them, is to find out, exactly, who these people were and to present them in a narrative that excites people about that time period.

Otzi the iceman, for example, was useless until studied. This is the case in essentially every example of people being found. Far more can be ascertained about them from the study of their bones than from leaving them in the ground, and the general public is more interested in seeing the bones in the museum where the historians have presented them in an entertaining way.

Originally posted by Lara
you'd just be a skeleton in a see through box.

as opposed to bones in the ground?

id much rather be clean and of some cultural importance.

Originally posted by Lara
I was being specific when I said other countries because there are many.

ok

be more specific then

which practices of which country do you find more appealing?

Originally posted by Lara
Egypt only saw the money!

preposterous. everything you know about egypt you owe to researchers.

Originally posted by Lara
ok I'll put it this way:

If your dying wish was to be buried in a specific place because it had specific meaning to you of great importance.

would you want so bunch of disrespecful grave robbers from generations down the line, come and dig you up and move you to some random place for others to gaupe at you and have no idea of who you were or what you did? you'd just be a skeleton in a see through box.

Interesting thought, I've often thought that excavating burial sites might be a bit, disrespectful...

However...the Druid Chief...isnt he called Merlin or Arthur or something.

Why should anyone care about your crazy beliefs?

Originally posted by Lara
ok so your telling me you'd be happy to dig up your grandmother and put her in a museum?????

what is there of archeological importance necessitating this?

or, are you asking if, say in 100-300 years, the place my grandmother is buried has become an archeological site of interest to researchers around the world, people want to dig her up in hopes of finding out more about her life and our culture in general, and then want to respectfully display her in a way that interests the world in her and her period of time and preserve her body for many more generations than the earth itself would...

or, are you saying that your superstitions should be enforced on everyone?

(and the obvious answer to your question is that, should there be a reason for it, dig her up)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why should anyone care about your crazy beliefs?

...aren't you one of them people that if someone said that about Christians you'd go crazy?

Really though, Lara, why should they?