Originally posted by Lara
Ok, point that every one is asking for:These people were great believers in the power of the land and the sky - nature!. This is where the connection is! This has been proven by stonehenge its-self! it has been deliberated over greatly as to what its use was, I personally feel it had many uses particularly for the equinox's at summer and winter, where the solar and lunar alignments are precise to the arrangement of the stones.
It was a place of great importance, hence its stature and georaphical evidence (which is non-invasive to the land) relating to lay lines and the various other small "mounds" around the main henge.
If you read the first post again then you will find that none of the organisations present yesterday nor myself have any objections to studies being done on the remains, just that they be returned when the studies have been completed.
I have a great respect for the dead as should every one, and no I'm not forcing my view or beliefs on others, This is an expression of some thing I feel quite strongly should be left alone.
IMO once some one has died their body belongs to nature, to the ground. Final wishes are quite prevalent as they can make the differece between a peacfully resting, observative spirit and a wrathful one full of vengance - forgive me for being superstious.
Many people go through live thinking about what they would want to happen to them when they die. ie. funeral plans etc.
The ancient ones had plans too and for specific purposes.
personally I feel they are part of the whole vibe of Stonehenge, a great piece of heritage which I and many others wish to preserve.
And the Henge is still used, with great care and passion by the Druids, and the rest of us as a spiritual and magikal community, to preserve our ancient nature but also learn from it WITHOUT disturbing it.
I feel what you saying, but the line is hard to tight rope.
I don't disagree but inamlist mentioned that we know what we know about the past because of researchers. They could return the bodies, but they IS disturbing the resting spot.
Originally posted by inimalist
who decides when there is nothing left to be gained from studying the bones?are researchers allowed to dig the bones back up, at taxpayer expense, should they decide they need to look at them again?
I don't see why not..then they can put them back again. It seems like a sensible comprimise to me.
Originally posted by Lara
Ok, point that every one is asking for:These people were great believers in the power of the land and the sky - nature!. This is where the connection is! This has been proven by stonehenge its-self! it has been deliberated over greatly as to what its use was, I personally feel it had many uses particularly for the equinox's at summer and winter, where the solar and lunar alignments are precise to the arrangement of the stones.
How do you know that they were?
Originally posted by Lara
It was a place of great importance, hence its stature and georaphical evidence (which is non-invasive to the land) relating to lay lines and the various other small "mounds" around the main henge.
How do you know that it was?
Originally posted by Lara
And the Henge is still used, with great care and passion by the Druids, and the rest of us as a spiritual and magikal community, to preserve our ancient nature but also learn from it WITHOUT disturbing it.
Originally posted by Lara
spiritual and magikal community
Originally posted by Lara
magikal
Is a word from 1908 that has nothing at all to even remotely do with druids.
Originally posted by Lara
There is no opposition to doing the studies.........but they want to take all of the remains, not return them to where they should be. Its a major disturption to a) the land itself b) the purpose of teh Henge C) the magikal relevance of their presence at the henge.
a) nonsense, b) possibly, but 2000 year old purposes should not interfere with modern dealings and c) I am inclined to say nonsense, but instead I shall just say that it is unproven and should also not interfere with government policy.
Originally posted by Bardock42
a) nonsense, b) possibly, but 2000 year old purposes should not interfere with modern dealings and c) I am inclined to say nonsense, but instead I shall just say that it is unproven and should also not interfere with government policy.
Well to be fair, we don't know what it was used for exactly but it was important. Usually when people get buried they don't want to be removed. We could see the present Druids and pagans as people carrying on that tradition even if we don't know exactly what SH is used for.
Studying the bones and putting them back is a good comprimise, if they had said we don't want them moved that would have been unfair.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I don't see why not..then they can put them back again. It seems like a sensible comprimise to me.
when do you think the most likely time for artifacts to be destroyed is?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
C'mon man its not like they are realing hurting anybody by allowing them to be put back after study.
any person, no, not at all. But repeated digs does threaten stonehenge itself, not to mention the bones.
Originally posted by Lara
There is no opposition to doing the studies.....
who decides when the studies are done
Originally posted by Lara
....but they want to take all of the remains, not return them to where they should be.
"should", in the way you are using it, would actually be better put as "where they wanted, hundreds of years ago to be, and where modern people who aren't the researchers think they should stay for superstitious reasons."
like I said, I don't think superstition should prevent research.
Originally posted by Lara
Its a major disturption to a) the land itself
putting the bones back would be moreso.
Originally posted by Lara
b) the purpose of teh Henge C) the magikal relevance of their presence at the henge.
both are irrelevant
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThere's no reason to compromise. It's the government's property.
Well to be fair, we don't know what it was used for exactly but it was important. Usually when people get buried they don't want to be removed. We could see the present Druids and pagans as people carrying on that tradition even if we don't know exactly what SH is used for.Studying the bones and putting them back is a good comprimise, if they had said we don't want them moved that would have been unfair.
How long do you propose the bones may be outside of the ground? Does the tax payer have to pay for the bones to be put back? When new discoveries come along can the bones be taken out again? What can you do about them losing research value by being transported in and out of the ground as well as being contaminated by the ground further? Will the taxpayers have to pay everytime the bones need to be researched? What about the harm done by the digging, that will multiply with numerous different diggings for putting them back and getting them again, etc.