you know, you really are a pompus arse hole!
I started the thread to make people aware of what was happening, not have it turned into a heartless, neandatholic debate about who is right and who is not. I dont have to justify myself, my beliefs or my morals to you.
I dont think I'm better than any one else. we are all born the same and we all die the same! you come across as a self-righteous prick.
no, you don't have to justify anything to me, and i've never suggested we are not equal.
however, what your "thread to make people aware" proposes is the shutting down of a research program, for reasons that amount to nothing more than superstition.
By trying to prevent research, you are harming all society. By keeping the bones in the ground, you are making them less likely to be preserved. Call it pompous all you want, you can't call it wrong.
If you don't want what you believe questioned, don't post it on an internet forum designed for such things. Obviously everyone isn't going to agree with you, and I don't understand why you can't live with a little valid criticism.
Originally posted by inimalist
no, you don't have to justify anything to me, and i've never suggested we are not equal.however, what your "thread to make people aware" proposes is the shutting down of a research program, for reasons that amount to nothing more than superstition.
By trying to prevent research, you are harming all society. By keeping the bones in the ground, you are making them less likely to be preserved. Call it pompous all you want, you can't call it wrong.
If you don't want what you believe questioned, don't post it on an internet forum designed for such things. Obviously everyone isn't going to agree with you, and I don't understand why you can't live with a little valid criticism.
I think its the mumbo jumbo comments that didn't really help. 😐
its not a case of that, and how many ****ing times do I have to say it: ..."NOT AGAINST RESEARCH" just put them back when they are done.
I dont expect you to understand the relevance, nor can I put it in a way that you would.
That that you live in canada doesnt help as I'm sure you cant percieve the importance of the henge as many other things than a historical land mark.
you certainly dont have to be so aggressive with you approach to critisim. TBVH I find you quite insulting.
As for this thread I feel the initial motive behind it has now been lost in your torent of consistent battery.
I have no intention of posting here again, I though it was a forum for sharing views in a peaceful manner, I was obviously mistaken.
one day I'm sure you'll choke on your own cynisism.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I don't have to prove anything its just about being polite.
since my imbeds don't seem to work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXg-yy-riEg
EDIT: ignore the imagery, it is pretty silly.
Originally posted by Lara
its not a case of that, and how many ****ing times do I have to say it: ..."NOT AGAINST RESEARCH" just put them back when they are done.
not to respond to the rest, my initial posts asked very logical questions that you still refuse to answer.
one of them being related to this point: Who decides when there is nothing left to gain from the bones?
Originally posted by inimalist
YouTube videosince my imbeds don't seem to work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXg-yy-riEg
EDIT: ignore the imagery, it is pretty silly.
*sigh* Im not going to watch that. I can understand why you think its mumbo-jumbo im just saying you could be more polite. Its not like she wants to blow up a building or not allow people to use contraception. I think im verging towards your view but her stance isn't really THAT bad.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh* Im not going to watch that. I can understand why you think its mumbo-jumbo im just saying you could be more polite. Its not like she wants to blow up a building or not allow people to use contraception. I think im verging towards your view but her stance isn't really THAT bad.
the video is actually why people should be as conversationally intolerant of religious (spiritual) ideas as they should other silly ideas, like Elvis and Alien abduction.
I don't think I'm being impolite, I am certainly not going out of my way to be offensive, I am being honest however. If you can't take criticism, don't post on the internet.
Originally posted by Lara
who decides there is anything to gain from them in the first place.The bones are of spiritual relevance, I'm not sitting here and questioning the last supper am I?
Somehow I doubt inimalist considers the last supper to have any more mystical energy associated with it than those bones.
Originally posted by Lara
who decides there is anything to gain from them in the first place.
the people spending large amounts of time and money to dig them up?
like who specifically? Researchers in British archeology? Academics?
Originally posted by Lara
The bones are of spiritual relevance, I'm not sitting here and questioning the last supper am I?
yes, and I'm not questioning your beliefs, I'm just saying they are irrelevant when considering research
Originally posted by inimalist
the video is actually why people should be as conversationally intolerant of religious (spiritual) ideas as they should other silly ideas, like Elvis and Alien abduction.I don't think I'm being impolite, I am certainly not going out of my way to be offensive, I am being honest however. If you can't take criticism, don't post on the internet.
To be quite honest I don't think the issue here is wether spirtual energy is real or not, its were you put the bones. You dont have to believe in spiritual energy to get upset if somebody upsets a grave. Just because they want the bones put back doesn't really justify calling their beliefs mumbo jumbo because thats not really the issue.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be quite honest I don't think the issue here is wether spirtual energy is real or not, its were you put the bones. You dont have to believe in spiritual energy to get upset if somebody upsets a grave. Just because they want the bones put back doesn't really justify calling their beliefs mumbo jumbo because thats not really the issue.
lol
the justification for wanting the bones put back is that it is a spiritual place where they belong. The justification for not disturbing them is a supernatural and superstitious view of corpses.
I'm saying the justification is invalid. If you don't like my characterization of it, pity, as it is the issue. There is no reason that does not originate from spirituality for leaving the bones or putting them back. Calling the validity of those spiritual claims into question is thus the most significant issue.
Hey, if you can show me how disturbing the bones will create evil spirits, as Lara described earlier in the thread, I'll change my mind, or at least weigh that in a cost/benefit equation. Otherwise, it is literally the imposition of one groups spiritual beliefs over the rest of society.
Originally posted by inimalist
lolthe justification for wanting the bones put back is that it is a spiritual place where they belong. The justification for not disturbing them is a supernatural and superstitious view of corpses.
I'm saying the justification is invalid. If you don't like my characterization of it, pity, as it is the issue. There is no reason that does not originate from spirituality for leaving the bones or putting them back. Calling the validity of those spiritual claims into question is thus valid.
The problem is that I think even an athiest would be upset if bones were removed from a grave. I doesn't neccesarily have to be spiritual it can emotional.
Originally posted by inimalist
Otherwise, it is [b]literally the imposition of one groups spiritual beliefs over the rest of society. [/B]
No its not. If they had not allowed you to study the bones you would have been correct, allowing you to study them and then putting them back is comprimise.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He claims not be be questioning them and then immediately states that questioning them is the central issue. The part you added back in doesn't change that at all.
Oh shut up...again CONTEXT, you dumbass. Hes not questioning their beliefs in general just specifically spiritual reasons for putting the bones back.