Abkhazia and South Ossetia recognised as Independent Nations by Russia

Yesterday the Russian Federation recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

International reaction has been mixed, but largely predictable.

Transnistria, another breakaway republic is the only other "nation" to recognize Abkhazia and Ossestia. The Hamas government of Palestine has also supported the move.

Belarus has stated: "it was an absolutely correct decision. All responsible people should support Russia, so as to put an end to the unilateral influence in the world of the US and the European Union. Have the US and the West forgotten, how they accepted Kosovo's independence, how they bombed Yugoslavia, are bombing Iraq, and have forgotten Afghanistan?"

France, Germany, the UK and USA are all against the move along with many other countries...

What do we think of this move?

I think Belarus needs to look up the definition of 'unilateral'.

Anyway, Russia continues to huff and puff but they will still be the biggest losers from all this nonsense.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
but they will still be the biggest losers from all this nonsense.

I disagree, I think that designation has to go to the Georgian population

EDIT: more on topic, should we expect autonomy for Chechnya next, given the Russians apparent sympathy for break away regions?

Oh the IRONY! I didn't think this was going to happen that quick.

This is a slap in America's face for its reckless policy to forecefully separate Kosovo from Serbia and with that, they have trampled on international law.

Russia just did the same. But twice fold.

Any mention of territorial integrity, international law that Bush and co throw at Russia is redundant, because in February they denied territorial integrity and international justice to Russia's very old ally, Serbia.

Russians used that very very well. 'The Bear' knows how to play chess. And its playing very very well.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh the IRONY! I didn't think this was going to happen that quick.

This is a slap in America's face for its reckless policy to forecefully separate Kosovo from Serbia and with that, they have trampled on international law.

Russia just did the same. But twice fold.

Any mention of territorial integrity, international law that Bush and co throw at Russia is redundant, because in February they denied territorial integrity and international justice to Russia's very old ally, Serbia.

Russians used that very very well. 'The Bear' knows how to play chess. And its playing very very well.

Territorial Integrity...what nonsense.

Anyone remember the Territorial Integrity of Afghanastan when the US supported the Northern Alliance. Or the Territorial Integrity of Iraq? Or Serbia?

The real reason the Western World is scared of this is because they are all sitting on nations ready to spilt.

The UK could be gone in decades.
Belgium is near total fracture.
Separatists are active in France and Spain.
Canada could lose Quebec.

The USA would find its allies falling apart...then, if it really catches on...

Well you know, they would have been trampling on international law if that seperation had not been internationally recognised!

It WAS legal, that was the point. There is nothing even slightly legal - or significantly internationally recognised- about the Georgia situation.

Serbia lost its case, that's all. And 'The Bear' is playing chess like an angry child. They have nothing near the power or finesse to pull off this sort of thing long-term-= they need the co-operation of the rest of the world WAY more than the world needs it. They won't gain from being forzen out of the WTO or other such international organisations. They won't gain by turning the whole world against them.

They are simply losing. Russia is throwing it all away.

Russia are behaving completely stupidly.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Canada could lose Quebec.

from my understanding, Separatism went out of style in Quebec when the nationalist party lost the Provincial elections.

EDIT: you know, I'm just sayin'

It seems more a testing of waters to see how far they can provoke the West while receiving little more than harsh words in response...

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Russia are behaving completely stupidly.

In what way?

The US elite are trying to isolate Russia, to the point of building Missile Silos and launch sites outside their borders...anyone remember when that happened in Cuba?

The real motives going on in the White House is fear of growing Russian power what with the Oil Crisis.

Now, question is- will America take on the Russians and Iran? Seemingly anyone who doesn't want to operate in their sphere of influence is a threat...

In Cuba they were putting down NUCLEAR missiles. If you cannot see the difference you are making a fool of yourself.

The only real motive here is a jealous post Cold War Russia trying to angry re-assert the power it lost because, basically, it was such a cruel and inefficient nation that planted hatred and divison whereever it went. Which they are in danger of creating anew.

Russia is making just about everyone side against it. The US doesn't need to act so.

That Russia is power posturing to gauge Western reaction I agree with though.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
will America take on the Russians and Iran?

Neither the US nor Russia want a real conflict, nor a return to the Cold War.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
In what way?

The US elite are trying to isolate Russia, to the point of building Missile Silos and launch sites outside their borders...anyone remember when that happened in Cuba?

The real motives going on in the White House is fear of growing Russian power what with the Oil Crisis.

Now, question is- will America take on the Russians and Iran? Seemingly anyone who doesn't want to operate in their sphere of influence is a threat...

Because all they're achieving is turning most of the world against them, it's not worth it.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Because all they're achieving is turning most of the world against them, it's not worth it.

I don't think the are turning the world against them, if the USA survived Iraq Russia will survive any bad feeling over this...

The are playing the long game and in my opinion successfully.

There's not going to be open warfare with Russia or Iran. Sure, America (probably via Israel) will take out any nuclear capabilities the Russians sell to Iran, but America isn't going to have what is going on in Iraq with Iran, it's not necessary.

There are also U.S. bases in Iraq within spitting distance of Iran, that's good enough to spy on and perform covert attacks if needed. The Russian's won't care either, sure there will be accusations and condemnations will fly, but meh.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I don't think the are turning the world against them, if the USA survived Iraq Russia will survive any bad feeling over this...

The are playing the long game and in my opinion successfully.

Yes, the world is turning against them- and no-one seriously compare Georgia and Iraq.

Russia's plan is hopeless long-term.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well you know, they would have been trampling on international law if that seperation had not been internationally recognised!

It WAS legal, that was the point. There is nothing even slightly legal - or significantly internationally recognised- about the Georgia situation.

Serbia lost its case, that's all. And 'The Bear' is playing chess like an angry child. They have nothing near the power or finesse to pull off this sort of thing long-term-= they need the co-operation of the rest of the world WAY more than the world needs it. They won't gain from being forzen out of the WTO or other such international organisations. They won't gain by turning the whole world against them.

They are simply losing. Russia is throwing it all away.

There was NOTHING slightly legal about forcefully separating Kosovo from Serbia. It directly violated UN Charter and resolution 1244.

How is territorial integrity of Gruzia more important than that of Serbia?

You cannot apply territorial integrity to one part of the world, but deny it elsewhere.

America and the satelites violated UN charter when they recognized Kosovo.
None of them have any place to tell Russia it is breaking the law they themselves broke only 6 months ago.

Abhakazia and South Ossetia should be allowed to be independent, but that doesn't change the fact Russia is acting like a three year old with this action.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Belgium is near total fracture.

Originally posted by Jovan
What the flying **** are you talking about????
I suggest you stop reading lousy sewer-like tabloids and other retarded "newspapers" and go to the source directly: the people.

Quiet weaker cousin of France...😛