Originally posted by lil bitchiness
There was NOTHING slightly legal about forcefully separating Kosovo from Serbia. It directly violated UN Charter and resolution 1244.How is territorial integrity of Gruzia more important than that of Serbia?
You cannot apply territorial integrity to one part of the world, but deny it elsewhere.
America and the satelites violated UN charter when they recognized Kosovo.
None of them have any place to tell Russia it is breaking the law they themselves broke only 6 months ago.
You think it broke that resolution, the majority of significant nations do not. BNor do I; you are simply wrong.
So that's why it is different- there was a large international consensus on Kosovo. There is just Russia trying to bully others with Georgia.
And of course you can apply territorial integrity differently; everything is case by case. Like I say- Serbia lost its case.
They broke no law; Russia is breaking all kinds of laws and will suffer for it.
Russian is a soverign country and can do what it wants, whether its actions cause international outrage or not is of course a different issue.
Concerning the missile comparison to the Cuban crisis, the USA may not be deploying Nuclear missiles, but the weapons they are deploying could render most of Russia´s capability to strike western targets to nothing, therefore they loose part of their nuclear deterrent and become obviously vulnerable. It may be different in many ways but it will cause the same sort of tension.
Russia is helping Iran and N.Korea with their nuclear "projects", which is obviously not to popular with the USA. Who knows to who else they are also selling weapons. Maybe this Georgia business is just the spark who´s potential has been building up for a long time.
And what excellent timing by Russian to start the ball rolling when the Olympics started and the US presidential race is picking up momentum.
This could all escalate into something nasty, which is worrying seeing as the USA and important western allies are overstretched.
I also think the Bear is putting its pieces into position, in the battle for gas and oil. I just hope they don´t use Europe as a battle field.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/ap_on_re_eu/georgia
Asian alliance rebuffs Russian plea for support.
That hurts Russia quite a bit in my eyes and can put the West at ease a bit and silence the "WWIII is coming! China/Russia vs The World!" crowd.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
You think it broke that resolution, the majority of significant nations do not. BNor do I; you are simply wrong.So that's why it is different- there was a large international consensus on Kosovo. There is just Russia trying to bully others with Georgia.
And of course you can apply territorial integrity differently; everything is case by case. Like I say- Serbia lost its case.
They broke no law; Russia is breaking all kinds of laws and will suffer for it.
lets not forget that the democratic will of the people of south ossetia is that they want to be joined with the semi autonomous region of north ossetia
don't know about Abkhazia though...
i think some creedence should at least be given to the will of the people that live there.
the fact still remains...it's all about the only gas pipeline coming from kazakstan that isn't under Russian control...and going through a pro western nation....America and Europe want to keep control and by making sure Georgia has control....and Russia want control of it
Originally posted by lil bitchinessDidn't Kosovo declare independence from Serbia last year? And the countries that recognized it only did so after said declaration?
There was NOTHING slightly legal about forcefully separating Kosovo from Serbia. It directly violated UN Charter and resolution 1244.How is territorial integrity of Gruzia more important than that of Serbia?
You cannot apply territorial integrity to one part of the world, but deny it elsewhere.
America and the satelites violated UN charter when they recognized Kosovo.
None of them have any place to tell Russia it is breaking the law they themselves broke only 6 months ago.
How is that illegal?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gavwell then by god how can Americans, sons of independence all, deny such a thing to these Georgians? If they have legitmate greivances with the Georgian government, I applaud them for their bold decision.
Abkhazia and South Ossetia declared independence more than a decade ago...
Originally posted by Strangelove
well then by god how can Americans, sons of independence all, deny such a thing to these Georgians? If they have legitmate greivances with the Georgian government, I applaud them for their bold decision.
They're not Georgian- they are oppressed citizens of Russia whom the Georgian government tried to disperse and destroy in the 2008 conflict.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
Ive noticed that "legal" is mentioned in this thread quite often.What is actually "legal", what the UN decides is Legal or what Russia decides is legal?
All War should be made Illegal imo, as the innocent people who don´t want anything to do with it get hurt the most.
Well, I think the UN decided the Iraq war was illegal- who did that stop?