Predator Army vs. Terminator Army

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
You have to prove they can detect a cloaked Pred, not just be sure of it.
And the T-X still has a exoskeleton inside that can be cut.

Personally I think putting the T-1000 into this is spite.

Okay. I'll give you that. I can't prove that they can be detected while in cloak mode and it is true, the T-X does have a exoskeleton that can get damaged, but I don't think the disk would do enough damage that it couldn't just heal right back up. As for the T-1000 though, you DO admit that the Preds couldn't defeat an army of Terminators as long as it's got some T-1000's on their side. I mean, come on, it's a frickin' a pain in the ass just to get rid of one, let alone multiple T-1000's.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The T-1000 is not invisible it needs time to recover, and is damaged when it faces large amount of damage (that includes the shotgun fired towards it in Terminator 2) Now imagine a Plasma Gun instead ore a EMP mine...

I think you meant to say *invincible, right? Anyway, I'm sure the plasma cannon or a EMP mine would f$#k the T-1000 up, but wouldn't put it down permanately. In the movie T2, Arnold shot it with a grenade launcher and jacked him up pretty good, but it DID NOT kill him. The steel was what melted him and ultimately put him down for good. Now, if they're fighting in a Vietnam jungle, where are they gonna find anything that could melt them like that? It's a possibility that the plasma would eventually kill him but it would take alot.

So the only challenge for the Preds is the T-1000.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
So the only challenge for the Preds is the T-1000.

Well, I'm sure that all of the Terminators would be a "challenge", the T-1000's would just be the most difficult to dispose of. Even if the Predators could stomp the earlier model Terminators, having back up from all the rest would make them a bit tougher to take out.

Originally posted by six6six
I think you meant to say *invincible, right? Anyway, I'm sure the plasma cannon or a EMP mine would f$#k the T-1000 up, but wouldn't put it down permanately. In the movie T2, Arnold shot it with a grenade launcher and jacked him up pretty good, but it DID NOT kill him. The steel was what melted him and ultimately put him down for good. Now, if they're fighting in a Vietnam jungle, where are they gonna find anything that could melt them like that? It's a possibility that the plasma would eventually kill him but it would take alot.

Yep sorry my bad have been playing to much NVN 2 Lately. A EMP mine most certainly will, the T-1000 is when we boil it down a robot depending on it's nanobots ore whatever is placed inside of it, if those goes out it dies. My point was to show that a grenade launcher certainly didn't do it any good, now add in the fact that the Plasma Guns fire high potent energy a direct headshot certainly wouldn't be good to the T-1000 nore would the blue liquid they where running around with AVPR.

Originally posted by six6six
Well, I'm sure that all of the Terminators would be a "challenge", the T-1000's would just be the most difficult to dispose of. Even if the Predators could stomp the earlier model Terminators, having back up from all the rest would make them a bit tougher to take out.

The Preds are cloaked. they can take out most of the T's with little problems.

I think the predators would win

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yep sorry my bad have been playing to much NVN 2 Lately. A EMP mine most certainly will, the T-1000 is when we boil it down a robot depending on it's nanobots ore whatever is placed inside of it, if those goes out it dies. My point was to show that a grenade launcher certainly didn't do it any good, now add in the fact that the Plasma Guns fire high potent energy a direct headshot certainly wouldn't be good to the T-1000 nore would the blue liquid they where running around with AVPR.

Honestly, I've yet to see AVPR. I've been wanting to see it but just havn't gotten around to it, so I don't know anything about the blue liquid you speak of. Anyhow, The Terminator is a pretty good shot also. Now answer me this: Which out of the Terminator & Predator is "more likely" to survive a headshot? Basically what it comes down to is there will be alot of casualties on both ends, but IMO the Predators are alot easier to damage and therfore will eventually be their downfall. In close quarters, Model 101 would get tossed around like salad, but T-1000 and T-X have their knives and saws to match up to some of Pred's slice 'n' dicing weapons, not to mention T-X's hand cannon. One shot to the head with that will give 'em a headache in the mornin'. Didn't she have a flamethrower also?

But if the Preds fight cloaked then the T's have nothing.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
But if the Preds fight cloaked then the T's have nothing.

Well, you really can't go by that, since we both don't know whether the T's can detect them or not.

Originally posted by six6six
Well, you really can't go by that, since we both don't know whether the T's can detect them or not.

It's up to you to prove they can.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
It's up to you to prove they can.

This issue goes both ways. Prove that they can't. We'll never know, cause they've never really fought. All we can do is assume. Guess you'll have to find another argument.

No as Badabing said in the other thread, The Preds have an established power, it's up to you to prove the T's can overcome it. If you don't believe me ask the mods yourself.

Originally posted by six6six
This issue goes both ways. Prove that they can't. We'll never know, cause they've never really fought. All we can do is assume. Guess you'll have to find another argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_Proof

Here's just a thought... Going by the Pred movies, you couldn't see the Preds if they were standing still while they were cloaked, but were still visable by human eyes if they made any slight movement. I'm sure the T's could pick up on them. Remember, this is a jungle, you know the Preds will be hopping from tree to tree. And couldn't the T-1000's just disguise themselves as a tree branch or something and play that game too? If so, the Preds better watch which trees they hide in.

It shows in the movies them moving while cloaked. And how would the T's know which trees to become?

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
It shows in the movies them moving while cloaked. And how would the T's know which trees to become?

The T's obviously wouldn't know the exact trees that the Pred's would jump to, but they could probably set a trap so that they would jump to certain trees. The other T's could lure the Pred's to the trees that the T-1000 would be hiding at and then "SHANK". Arnold in the 1st movie was able to lure the Pred into his traps. He can do it again in this scenario. Hell, if the T's are smart enough, they can wipe out a good number of Preds just by throwing that bomb that comes out of their chest. Even after removing that bomb, they're still fully functional, were as the Predator has his self destruction device, but I doubt they'd wanna waste any soldiers.

Originally posted by six6six
The T's obviously wouldn't know the exact trees that the Pred's would jump to, but they could probably set a trap so that they would jump to certain trees. The other T's could lure the Pred's to the trees that the T-1000 would be hiding at and then "SHANK". Arnold in the 1st movie was able to lure the Pred into his traps. He can do it again in this scenario. Hell, if the T's are smart enough, they can wipe out a good number of Preds just by throwing that bomb that comes out of their chest. Even after removing that bomb, they're still fully functional, were as the Predator has his self destruction device, but I doubt they'd wanna waste any soldiers.

1) Predators are not afraid to give up their lives for the target.

2) Actually T's can only run on back up power and if they used the chest nuke it would take all of them out as well.

3)The T's actually weren't to great on strategy, they were more often blunt as the movies showed. And when they did use strategy it reallyt never worked that great for them.

Yautja win.

There metal would go through the titanium like hot knife through butter.

Originally posted by six6six
Here's just a thought... Going by the Pred movies, you couldn't see the Preds if they were standing still while they were cloaked, but were still visable by human eyes if they made any slight movement. I'm sure the T's could pick up on them. Remember, this is a jungle, you know the Preds will be hopping from tree to tree. And couldn't the T-1000's just disguise themselves as a tree branch or something and play that game too? If so, the Preds better watch which trees they hide in.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
1) Predators are not afraid to give up their lives for the target.

2) Actually T's can only run on back up power and if they used the chest nuke it would take all of them out as well.

3)The T's actually weren't to great on strategy, they were more often blunt as the movies showed. And when they did use strategy it reallyt never worked that great for them.

1) Terminators aren't scared of anything either, as long as the mission is accomplished.

2) Back up power or not, they're still fully capable of dealing out heavy damage. Chances are, they won't resort to the chest nuke, I was just stating it as an option. Even if they were to, I'm pretty sure they'd have the rest of the army fall back before detinating one of those. They're not completely stupid now.

3)I agree with you on this one. Yes they weren't the best strategy-wise, but they do what is necessary to destroy the target. The Terminators shown in the movies were going after just humans, so the kill strategy was prettty direct, but in this case they're fighting against Predators and "might" have a different approach when facing a foe such as the Predator.