Originally posted by six6six
1) Terminators aren't scared of anything either, as long as the mission is accomplished.
2) Back up power or not, they're still fully capable of dealing out heavy damage. Chances are, they won't resort to the chest nuke, I was just stating it as an option. Even if they were to, I'm pretty sure they'd have the rest of the army fall back before detonating one of those. They're not completely stupid now.
3)I agree with you on this one. Yes they weren't the best strategy-wise, but they do what is necessary to destroy the target. The Terminators shown in the movies were going after just humans, so the kill strategy was prettty direct, but in this case they're fighting against Predators and "might" have a different approach when facing a foe such as the Predator.
I'm not a big fan of the term "might".
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
If the games count as canon, the predators have EM vision for tracking Xenomorphs. I think the plasma cannons will cut enough lines through the T-1000s to kill them.Side question: Wasn't the T-1000 a prototype?
In reality, yes, it was only a prototype, but in THIS thread we are pretending there are more than one T-1000. When I posted this thread I mentioned that this was an army with a mixture of T's. So for instance: 25 Model 101's, 25 T-1000's, 25 T-X's and 25 of another model.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Prove this please.
Helllooo...they are liquid. Why can't you understand this? You said yourself.....
"As long as you don't put in the ones from the 2nd and 3rd movie, then the preds take this every time."
"Personally I think putting the T-1000 into this is spite."
Now all of a sudden you're changing your tune.
Originally posted by six6six
Honestly, I've yet to see AVPR. I've been wanting to see it but just havn't gotten around to it, so I don't know anything about the blue liquid you speak of. Anyhow, The Terminator is a pretty good shot also. Now answer me this: Which out of the Terminator & Predator is "more likely" to survive a headshot? Basically what it comes down to is there will be alot of casualties on both ends, but IMO the Predators are alot easier to damage and therfore will eventually be their downfall. In close quarters, Model 101 would get tossed around like salad, but T-1000 and T-X have their knives and saws to match up to some of Pred's slice 'n' dicing weapons, not to mention T-X's hand cannon. One shot to the head with that will give 'em a headache in the mornin'. Didn't she have a flamethrower also?
It isn't all that good I personally enjoy the predator scenes very much, but I'm also very fascinated of them. The Terminator based on what is fired, if it's a shoulder canon it really doesn't matter, if it's a standard gun it matters. The Predators lower durability is from my point of view compensated for with a greater agility and there equipment. Yes they have but not near as many as the Predators have, A simple disc towards the T-X model and out of the game it is, multiply Plasma shoots against the T-1000 will be capable of bringing that down as well from my point of view. Now I'm fully aware of that the predators isn't undefeatable, but by placing the Predators on there favorite hunting ground the best possible enviroment for them, pissed off and ready for war (I don't know if you have read any comics concerning the Predators but in one of them it is noticed how a human encampment deep in the jungle is destroyed in less then four panels with the remark "this time it was different it wasn't a hunt this time it was personal" and they where 4.) the Terminators are going to be turned into scrap. the only thing that will possibly draw out the battle is the problems with the T-1000.
Look, we don't know if the T's are capable of seeing the Preds while cloaked, I gave you that, even if it can't be proven by either of us.
We don't know if the Preds plasma is even enough to "completely" take out a T-1000. So this is another speculation. It's obvious that the plasma cannon & possibly their cloaking abilities are their best weapons against the more advanced models.
So let's go by the thing we DO know...
-The Preds disk and shredder claw can and will destroy Models like the 101. NOT the T-1000's and T-X's. And before you go on about the exoskeleton on the T-X that can be cut. Yes, it can, but for one, it'd have to be a direct hit and two, couldn't it just regenerate? In T3 at the end, her legs get cut off and she doesn't bother regenerating because they're stuck under the rubble and because she's rushing to kill John Conner. My proof? The exoskeleton can be regenerated also, a bit earlier in the film when John activates that magnetic machine, it was almost as if her entire body was melting and yet after she cut her way out, she regenerated no problem.
-Pretty much any weapon a T picks up can do damage to a Pred. Whether it's a gun,knife or cannon. The point I'm trying to make is basically, it'll take alot more for a T to go down than a Pred. And IMO, as I'm entitled, leads me to believe that the T's DO stand a chance against Preds. Personally, I love both Predator & Terminator, as they are both awesome killing machines. I don't mean to sound like I am taking anything away from the Preds, I'm just trying to even out this debate.
Originally posted by six6six
[B]Look, we don't know if the T's are capable of seeing the Preds while cloaked, I gave you that.
-The Preds disk and shredder claw can and will destroy Models like the 101. NOT the T-1000's and T-X's. And before you go on about the exoskeleton on the T-X that can be cut. Yes, it can, but for one, it'd have to be a direct hit and two, couldn't it just regenerate?
Unless you can prove her exoskeleton can regenerate then it cannot.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
No I am asking you to prove that the T's advanced models can overcome the cloaks of the preds as you stated.
You seem to be stuck on this issue. I thought we already moved on from that. I already admitted to you that there was no way I could prove this. It was just a theory. Going by the scan posted by snoop, the Pred is cloaked and as you can see, T is looking at him before getting eff'd up.
Originally posted by six6six
You seem to be stuck on this issue. I thought we already moved on from that. I already admitted to you that there was no way I could prove this. It was just a theory. Going by the scan posted by snoop, the Pred is cloaked and as you can see, T is looking at him before getting eff'd up.
If he could've seen the Pred, he would've done something about it.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
If I am cloaked and I run right towards someone and they are looking at my direction already, then it does not mean in any way that they can see me.If he could've seen the Pred, he would've done something about it.
Post me a scan where it shows him running past him and then I'll believe you. I've never read that comic so I honestly don't know. All I see is T aware of the Preds presence and the Pred attacking him. Also, is it kinda funny that they do a closeup of the T's eye? Hmmmm..
Originally posted by six6six
Post me a scan where it shows him running past him and then I'll believe you.
All I see is T aware of the Preds presence and the Pred attacking him. Also, is it kinda funny that they do a closeup of the T's eye? Hmmmm.. [/B]
Prove that he is aware of his presence.
Originally posted by six6six
Look, we don't know if the T's are capable of seeing the Preds while cloaked, I gave you that, even if it can't be proven by either of us.
We don't know if the Preds plasma is even enough to "completely" take out a T-1000. So this is another speculation. It's obvious that the plasma cannon & possibly their cloaking abilities are their best weapons against the more advanced models.
So let's go by the thing we DO know...-The Preds disk and shredder claw can and will destroy Models like the 101. NOT the T-1000's and T-X's. And before you go on about the exoskeleton on the T-X that can be cut. Yes, it can, but for one, it'd have to be a direct hit and two, couldn't it just regenerate? In T3 at the end, her legs get cut off and she doesn't bother regenerating because they're stuck under the rubble and because she's rushing to kill John Conner. My proof? The exoskeleton can be regenerated also, a bit earlier in the film when John activates that magnetic machine, it was almost as if her entire body was melting and yet after she cut her way out, she regenerated no problem.
-Pretty much any weapon a T picks up can do damage to a Pred. Whether it's a gun,knife or cannon. The point I'm trying to make is basically, it'll take alot more for a T to go down than a Pred. And IMO, as I'm entitled, leads me to believe that the T's DO stand a chance against Preds. Personally, I love both Predator & Terminator, as they are both awesome killing machines. I don't mean to sound like I am taking anything away from the Preds, I'm just trying to even out this debate.
Ore the Laser net ore the whip ore.....
I fail to see what makes it possible for the T-X to survive the disc come flying towards its head guided with the tracking device mounted on the shoulder of the Predators. Also I haven't watched T3 but based on your mentioning you isn't sure that it can actually regenerate from attacks.
Lets remember that it's fairly small damage that a knife etc has shown capable of doing of damage on the Predators, in Predator 2, the predator was shoot at point blank range from a shotgun with no ill effect other then wounds on the flesh.
You are entitled to your opinion yes and we are entitled to disagree with you, I however must admit that I haven't quiet catched your full opinion do you believe that the Predators ore the Terminators will win?
Originally posted by Utrigita
Ore the Laser net ore the whip ore.....I fail to see what makes it possible for the T-X to survive the disc come flying towards its head guided with the tracking device mounted on the shoulder of the Predators. Also I haven't watched T3 but based on your mentioning you isn't sure that it can actually regenerate from attacks.
Lets remember that it's fairly small damage that a knife etc has shown capable of doing of damage on the Predators, in Predator 2, the predator was shoot at point blank range from a shotgun with no ill effect other then wounds on the flesh.
You are entitled to your opinion yes and we are entitled to disagree with you, I however must admit that I haven't quiet catched your full opinion do you believe that the Predators ore the Terminators will win?
Honestly, it's tough for me to say who I personally think'll win. I won't state my final answer until I've at least seen AVPR. Maybe that'll show me a little more of what the Preds can do. I've seen the 1st & 2nd Predator, although it's been a really long time since I've seen #2 and I've also seen the 1st AVP, which I think sucked BIG wet donkey balls. I'm hoping Requiem will redeem it. I've watched all the Terminators, so I'm pretty aware of what they can do. As for not being sure of T-X's regen abilities, I just watched it a couple of days ago and in some scenes she would regen just like the T-1000, but it was shown that her hand cannon was damaged beyond repair, but resorted to a flamethrower out of the same hand. Also, at the end, half her body is crushed and burried under rubble. John Conner is running away as the T-850 was trying to hold her. The way "I" took it was that if givin' enough time, it could regen itself, going by the earlier damages it sustained, but seen as how it was so close to catching John, not to mention Arnold holding on to half her body, it wasn't about to waste anytime regenerating. Now again, this is "my" opinion. I could totally be wrong, but thats where I'm confused.
I know I left out alot stuff the Preds can do, but again I was trying to sum it up. My point was just to show that Preds are more likely to get hurt easier than the T's. In the 1st Pred movie, Arnold set up all kinds of traps, which left the Pred bleeding, so his skin may be tough, but it can be cut. And we aren't talking about getting stabbed by a little swiss army knife either, the T-1000 can make his arms into huge swords and the T-X has a saw, so you can't tell me it'll have just little or no affect.
It may seem like I'm being a little bias here, but believe me, I'm really not. Like I stated before, I'm trying to make this debate interesting until I'm 100% certain, one would defeat the other. Everyones throwing Predator FTW out like hotcakes and I wanna know more detail into how. I like the answers so far, but it ain't a debate unless there is a counter. 🙂
Originally posted by six6six
The exoskeleton can be regenerated also, a bit earlier in the film when John activates that magnetic machine, it was almost as if her entire body was melting and yet after she cut her way out, she regenerated no problem.
Quite frankly, I'm more impressed the liquid metal stayed on her body so long but managed to not only pulled the gun out of whoever's hand but physically restrain her. Though it was probably for dramatic effect. Oh, and how the coating still functioned afterwards. Nanites are supposed to be very vulnerable to that kind of thing. But then again, it's advanced technology and only a movie.
If you remember way earlier, the T-X gets her plasma caster mangled after... fighting on the roof of a hearse and getting knocked off by the trailer of a truck? She couldn't repair it so she recombobulated it into that sweet flame thrower.