Project Holocron

Since Yoda was 900 when he died that leaves him with having 777 years as a master to further study the force with all the resources the jedi temple has to offer.

How many force techniques does yoda know?

I think its safe to say that yoda is second only to the emperor in force knowledge. Yoda would have been able to study from some of the greatest holocrons and even served on the council with master like yeareal poof that knew force techniques like combustion.

I think it's safe to say that yoda knew all the techniques they knew since he's been around for so long why not gain more knowledge of the force to have a better understanding of it? And I believe that Yoda would have done just that.

also yoda could know the sever force technique taught in the Tedryn Holocron since he would have had around 400 years of access to it before it disappeared.

I guess all I'm trying to get at in this post is what can we reasonably and realistically infer what or how much yoda knows about the force.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
I think its safe to say that yoda is second only to the emperor in force knowledge.

Why would he know more than Odan-Urr, for instance, who was even older than Yoda and spent almost all his time actively studying.

Don't forget Odan's knowledge was recorded in the Tedryn Holocron. For some reason, people learn from Holocrons absurdly quickly

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Why would he know more than Odan-Urr, for instance, who was even older than Yoda and spent almost all his time actively studying.

very true, honestly I forgot about him. Then lets says Yoda and Odan are either on paras second or Odan is second in force knowledge and Yoda is third either way it doesn't really matter because my point is that Yoda Probably knows the more offensive force techniques like sever force and combustion.

@lightsnake

also very true, how long do you suppose it takes somone to learn everything from a holocron?

Four hours and seventeen minutes and three seconds and twelve milliseconds.

Bane learned all of Revan's knowledge in a matter of weeks. Freedon's sometime in 10 years.

Suffice to say, Yoda's had a loooong time to get in with the Tedryn Holocron

Originally posted by Faunus
Four hours and seventeen minutes and three seconds and twelve milliseconds.

You forgot to add the 24 nanoseconds.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Bane learned all of Revan's knowledge in a matter of weeks. Freedon's sometime in 10 years.

Suffice to say, Yoda's had a loooong time to get in with the Tedryn Holocron

Bane specifically states that he would need years to fully learn and unlock all the secrets in Revan's holocron. So, by ROT - definitely. The end of PoD? Almost certainly not.

Bane mastered everything in Revan's Holocron.

He proceeded to destroy it when it was of no further use.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Bane mastered everything in Revan's Holocron.

He proceeded to destroy it when it was of no further use.

Right...but a few weeks?

I didn't write the book.

so are we done with this thread or what?

...I'll post an assessment of Kun tomorrow if no one objects.

No problem here.

I don't mean to throw this thread off topic, but it seems to have died anyway. This seems like the ideal place for a definitive discussion about what Vaapad does and does not do.

Case 1:
Vaapad practitioner vs. Dark Side User

This is the most common instance in vs. Threads- See Mace vs. Palpatine. In this situation, the 'superconducting loop' comes into effect. In the only canon case of this occurrence, Vaapad was thrown against a superior force user (Sidious). The Superconducting loop serves to equalize the disparity between the Vapaad user and his opponent. This only comes into effect with Force powers- it copied Sidious's Force Speed, but would not be able to copy someone's innate speed- like Grievous.

Case 2:
Vapaad Practitioner vs. Neutral user or non- Force Sensitive

This is probably the most common occurrence in universe, as there are fewer DS users to fight than say, droids. In this situation Vaapad is fueled by the user's inner darkness- the innate power of Mace Windu, for example. The 'loop does not come into play, but the user still 'skirts the penumbra' of the DS, as shown by Shatterpoint. This is the style that Windu uses in any fight where he is not outclassed by a DS force user.

Case 3:
Vaapad Practitioner in a Sparring setting

The consensus on the boards is that Vapaad does not automatically use the metaphysical aspects of the style in a fight. The combinations of the saber style, the sequences, would be unaffected by the users 'mood'. I take issue with this idea.

Vapaad was not just a saber style-it was a state of mind

There was no Jedi restraint here.
Mace Windu was cutting loose.

Vaapad is a channel for darkness

Vaapad is as aggressive and powerful as its namesake, but its power comes at great risk: immersion in Vaapad opens the gates that restrain one's inner darkness. To use Vaapad, a Jedi must allow himself to enjoy the fight; he must give himself over to the thrill of battle. The rush of winning. Vaapad is a path that leads through the penumbra of the dark side.

This shows that to use Vaapad at all, one must enjoy the battle, and to do so one must fight the lure of the Dark Side. Simply using the form on Karun Hal (without a lightsaber in his hand) pushed him dangerously close to the Dark Side:

He knew already he could not match Vastor for raw power. With each breath, he stripped away another layer of restraint and inhibition. Another layer of serenity. He had to move his inner peace out of the way to let in the joy. The thrill. the sheer okay-why-not-let's-FIGHT. Because Vaapad was more than just a form os Lightsaber combat.
It was a state of mind.
[...]
To use Vaapad now, out here was incredibly dangerous-almost as dangerous as not using it.

You can't get Vaapad results without using a Vaapad state of mind.

It's taken a short recess. Thanks for bringing it back.

Edit: Yes, that's why Sora Bulq inevitably failed to master it.

Thank you, Red. The quotes you put together illustrate this point very well. I agree with your assessment of what Vaapad does and how it is used 100%.

So... Who now?

Well, who's been done?

It seems we were about to discuss Exar Kun.

Go ahead, my young apprentice(s).