Originally posted by Lightsnake
....huh? No, it doesn't. Palpaitne's recording is done after his death on Endor
"And for six years, I believed, as everyone else did, that Palpatine was dead. Only last year did I learn the truth: Palpatine had not been consumed by a blast of energy, but had survived as dark side energy itself. In this bodiless, transitional state, he traveled across the galaxy until he reached his hidden retreat world. There he projected his spirit into the body of a waiting clone, a replica of himself. By this method he had cheated death. It was not the first time. He had previously utilized clones after he had discovered that the corrupting power of the dark side had a detrimental effect on his physical form. But after the Battle of Endor, he commissioned many more clones of himself to ensure that he would live forever."
So, that's 2 in-universe sources and 1 out of universe source saying he did, and 1 out of universe source saying he didn't.
And I'm pretty sure Chee's statement came prior to November 2007 (release date for Jedi vs. Sith.)
Originally posted by Enyalus
"And for six years, I believed, as everyone else did, that Palpatine was dead. Only last year did I learn the truth: Palpatine had not been consumed by a blast of energy, but had survived as dark side energy itself. In this bodiless, transitional state, he traveled across the galaxy until he reached his hidden retreat world. There he projected his spirit into the body of a waiting clone, a replica of himself. [b]By this method he had cheated death. It was not the first time. He had previously utilized clones after he had discovered that the corrupting power of the dark side had a detrimental effect on his physical form. But after the Battle of Endor, he commissioned many more clones of himself to ensure that he would live forever."So, that's 2 in-universe sources and 1 out of universe source saying he did, and 1 out of universe source saying he didn't.
And I'm pretty sure Chee's statement came prior to November 2007 (release date for Jedi vs. Sith.) [/B]
Erm, wasn't that statement made by Luke.....the guy Sidious told the lie to.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Erm, wasn't that statement made by Luke.....the guy Sidious told the lie to.
Yes. But it is in the Sourcebook, and Luke never says, "Palpatine told me..."
Palpatine never tells him how many clones he initially commissioned nor that he sped up the production after the Battle of Endor, either.
Originally posted by Gideon
Start it, Captain.And who the **** gave you permission to be promoted?
Faunus did.
And I completely deserved it. I had been a Lieutenant for far too long. Bastards keep holding me back. They think I'll grow too powerful.
EDIT - And, Blax, YOU owe me money. I want the money back. Now. Or there'll be serious consequences.
Originally posted by Cpt. ValerianYeah I did.
Faunus did.
On-Topic:
I would have to say that, as of Legacy, only Luke Skywalker and the Emperor are more powerful overall than Yoda. The former wields absurd amounts of raw power, but his mastery doesn't even approach that of the nine hundred year-old Jedi Master, and the latter wields both significant power and an a nigh unparalleled understanding of the Force.
I would venture to say that the Emperor is in possession of equal or greater Force-potential than Yoda; when he his supposedly in his mid-sixties, he is nearly capable of stalemating the far older Jedi. While one certainly needs to take into account the fact that he is a Dark Lord of the Sith and Yoda is a Jedi Master, his success in that battle and the notable - if not necessarily substantial - growth in knowledge and mastery of the Force he experiences after Revenge of the Sith is indicative of greater potential, in my opinion.
However, Yoda has demonstrated large-scale telekinesis that the Emperor has never even come remotely close to replicating. If the CWC is to be believed, he lifts the rubble of an entire cave off of two Jedi Knights on Ilum, and later lifts a carrier ship off of the ground, grabs another one, and slams the two into each other. In Shatterpoint, Mace Windu implied that Yoda would have been able to casually levitate a steamcrawler across a ravine. With the exception of Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron - who manipulated multiple dovin basal-created black holes, among other things - and Darth Bane - who has the single most destructive telekinetic showings in the mythos - no one else appears to compare in this regard.
Yoda's Force-defenses also appear to be monstrous. He stops a full-power blast of Sith lightning from point-blank range with his bare hands, while clutching onto the edge of a rounded metal pod with his feet, and pushes it back towards the aggressor, who happens to be one of the most powerful beings in the saga.
His skills with a lightsaber are also, arguably, the greatest in the PT-era, and second only to the aforementioned Skywalker and the Emperor. He was capable of forcing Count Dooku - himself amongst the most powerful and skilled men of any era - into retreat on Geonosis, and again on Vjun, a planet steeped in the dark side. Yoda single-handedly took on legions of droids more than once, and demonstrated an unheard-of degree of agility in Shadow Hunter by evading the attacks of three Jedi Masters without even using a lightsaber. He was capable of at least fighting Darth Sidious to a stalemate in the Rotunda, and the script has him actually disarming the Sith Lord.
So... yeah. My take on the guy.
Speaking of yoda's lightsaber abilities, It is true that he never lost a saberlock. Significant/ perhaps not, but isn't that usually a sign of superior strength and overall power? This is indicated by simple physics (force A>force B, source A must be > source B) (understand this is in simple newtons, NOT regarding their skill with the force)
I have another question:::: how do you measure a force shove? does that get measured in newtons too? and if it does, doesn't that mean that we could break down Telekinetic shoves completely, ranking all force using in a perfect numerical line?
Originally posted by truejedi
I have another question:::: how do you measure a force shove? does that get measured in newtons too? and if it does, doesn't that mean that we could break down Telekinetic shoves completely, ranking all force using in a perfect numerical line?
I doubt the creators and choreographers were completely consistant.
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