Angeal, Genesis & Cloud vs Sephiroth & Zack Fair

Yeah...But notice when he did it, he didn't exert himself, at all. 😐

but u know, gesture or otherwise, if he had more power, not only wud he have showed it {cause really, whats the point of not , after all, u r going after MORE powe if ur going in jenovah's footsteps} but he wud have defeated cloud with it.

He wanted to make Cloud suffer, he was not exerting himself at all.

From the creator's mouths, they know more about it than you.

again, did he LET cloud kill him with the omnislash {and the shocked resenting look on his face while it is happening definately eludes to that right?}

PIS is a motherfvcker.

^naaah, its called PLOT. and FANTASY. it isnt inconcistant with the kind of beings cloud has defeated before, like jenovah etc. also, he is also one with jenovah's cells and theoretically, he cud have done what sephiroth did if he was evil and knowledgable enough

Sephiroth has more J Cells than anyone else, he completely dominated Jenova, he IS Jenova now.

Plot huh? Notice why it is called "PLOT Induced Stupidity." Seph lost for the sake of the plot.

It is like Ganon and Link. Going by their respective powersets, Link should NEVER defeat Ganon, but does anyway.

Or in Darkstalkers, Pyron could have easily destroyed all of Earth and Makai with ease, but chose to limit himself to a mortal form for sport, and ended up losing to Demitri.

but it isnt inconcistant. sephirtoh has a lot of jenovah cells yes, but does it say that he has more than cloud? also it is still debateable if seph was controlling jenovah or jenovah was controlling seph.

It's not debatable at all. It was also stated by said creators Seph controlled Jenova.

The entire point of Seph was that he was a monster pumped with J-Cells, he's basically Chris Benoit, only with J-Cells.

Sephiroth needed Jenova's remains to return. He couldn't have done it alone.

Otherwise he would have done it from the very beginning.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but it isnt inconcistant. sephirtoh has a lot of jenovah cells yes, but does it say that he has more than cloud? also it is still debateable if seph was controlling jenovah or jenovah was controlling seph.

This was stated in the UOG or RF i can't remember which:

Sephiroth, the New Evolution of Jenova
Sephiroth became the newest stage of evolution for Jenova, and anything "Jenova" does in the game's present day is simply Sephiroth invoking his new powers(UOG - "the will of Jenova as a human is the result of it consuming Sephiroth's spirit"😉. When Sephiroth came into the picture, the minds of the two joined, and Sephiroth made himself the core of the viral entity that Jenova was, with his ambitions being fueled by his desire to destroy all the humans he despised. Thus, his will manifested through Jenova's extensive psionic powers.

Sephiroth was controlling Jenova.

And this was from the translated UOG http://faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html

"-It’s said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth. Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn’t. Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn’t sweat during the entire fight and never exerted himself. In other words, he wasn’t even trying hard. Cloud on the other hand was clearly giving it his all and was described by the book as exhausted by the time the battle was nearing its conclusion."

But besides that, anyone who watched the video with common sense, or knowledge of Sephiroth knows he wasn't going all out, he was having a casual conversation with Cloud the entire fight with basically a smile on his face, he has powers that he didn't use on Cloud at all, he covered the skies with the NL when he could've used it directly on Cloud, he could've TK'd Cloud, but just TK'd the top of a building instead, he could've battled and moved faster then Loz, but was moving at Clouds speed instead, he coud've directly killed Cloud but just stabbed him in a non-vital spot so he can taunt him some more.

It's not debatable at all. It was also stated by said creators Seph controlled Jenova.

The entire point of Seph was that he was a monster pumped with J-Cells, he's basically Chris Benoit, only with J-Cells.

Oh and to clear things up, he was only a part-human part-jenova during his Crisis Core days, that body was disintegrated in the lifestream, in AC, he's entirely made up of Jenova 100%.

Sephiroth is badass.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Oh and to clear things up, he was only a part-human part-jenova during his Crisis Core days, that body was disintegrated in the lifestream, in AC, he's entirely made up of Jenova 100%.

Originally posted by Terryc250
I wouldn't say he was serious in that fight, he took it up a notch at 3:00 but even so he had a smirk on his face and you can hear him laugh a bit at 3:05, then he basically was just pushing Genesis around, and when Angeal stops him he still has all his normal composure, and just goes "Angeal.." unlike Genesis who is goin nuts.

Look at the passage where Genesis was just swinging wildly at Sephiroth, he not only managed to parry them with ease, he managed to look calm while doing it. When he actually starts remotely using a bit of force, Genesis actually slides back and then is blasted into the air. When Sephiroth puts a REAL blow on Genesis, the latter goes flying back as if launched from a catapault.

I say this to anyone claiming that Sephiroth can be "held off" by Angeal and Genesis - this is just folly. He could wipe the floor with them, he outmatched them with but the slightest of efforts.

Genesis was the only one fighting Sephiroth seriously, Angeal was just treating it as a training session. If both go full out, they can hold him long enough for Cloud to kill Zack.

Well it depends because we've never actually seen Sephiroth go 100%, and i'm sure if Sephiroth gets Genesis pissed off enough, Genesis might end up hurting Angeal at an attempt to take out Sephiroth (which would probably fail)

Well why would he try to hurt Angeal when both would be fighting to their full ability to kill Seph?

And the two cannot take Seph, but Cloud can take out Zack, so they just need to last long enough.

Because Genesis has anger issues, and has the "must do anything to win" mentality, he even blasts Angeal while he was hot-headed against Sephiroth just to get him out of the way, and he almost cut through him as well, i can see him firing something big at Sephiroth while Angeal is nearby, with it hurting Angeal and not effecting Sephiroth as usual, but meh its just a possibility.