Rahm kota vs Darth Vader.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Thats like me saying that what you read might be completely different than what someone else reads. If that were the case than the movies would be the lowest form of canon in Star Wars.

if you haven't noticed, unless its something factual that can't be debated, the movie's DON'T hold all that high a place in a debate here. Someone can say that it looks like Dooku struggled more against Anakin than he did against Dooku in AOTC, but unless there is something in the novelization stating otherwise, another person can argue he had to exert himself more to beat Obi-wan so quickly. Its all subjective. Facts cannot be interpreted. THEY have precedence. Appearences cannot prove anything. they are always open for interpretation. Heck, did sidious lose to mace on purpose? looks like he didn't. looked like a legit fight... or you can say it didn't because of poor coreography, or you can say it did because he kicked the saber out of his hand, and i can say it didn't because sidious wanted him too. Just by watching the movie, two people with opposite fanboyisms are never going to agree on that scene. A comic book panel without words would work the same way. Is that look on sidious's face one of struggle, one of joy, one of pain, one of constipation? you can't intepret it unless it says specifically.

Originally posted by truejedi
if you haven't noticed, unless its something factual that can't be debated, the movie's DON'T hold all that high a place in a debate here. Someone can say that it looks like Dooku struggled more against Anakin than he did against Dooku in AOTC, but unless there is something in the novelization stating otherwise, another person can argue he had to exert himself more to beat Obi-wan so quickly. Its all subjective. Facts cannot be interpreted. THEY have precedence. Appearences cannot prove anything. they are always open for interpretation. Heck, did sidious lose to mace on purpose? looks like he didn't. looked like a legit fight... or you can say it didn't because of poor coreography, or you can say it did because he kicked the saber out of his hand, and i can say it didn't because sidious wanted him too. Just by watching the movie, two people with opposite fanboyisms are never going to agree on that scene. A comic book panel without words would work the same way. Is that look on sidious's face one of struggle, one of joy, one of pain, one of constipation? you can't intepret it unless it says specifically.

Well it did not look to me like Luke cut off Sidious's hand, so does it make it debateable. And it did say the storm was destroying the fleet, and Palpatine said that that is what he intended it to do.

That's hardly the case. In AotC, when lifting the pillar that Dooku had dropped to crush Anakin and Obi-Wan, Yoda's hands trembled, his face was as screwed up as it can get, his body literally shook, and he only just managed to move the pillar to the side. The only interpretation that you could arrive at with that is that Yoda faced considerable difficulty in achieving the feat.

Motherf*cker!

I already told you people before, Palpatine does have full control over the Force Storms. It's stated in the back of one issue of Dark Empire by the writer. Something to the affect of:

"When Palpatine first wrote The Book of Anger he notes that his doesn't have full control over the Force Storms (now he does)..."

I don't have the exact quote, but the part in parenthesis is definitely there. If I wasn't at work, I'd dig through my closet and post the exact line.

The end. 😛

And yet he smashed transports and force pushed armies back with relative ease. And I just watched ROTS and it seems like he blew back three of the pods with one hand like it was nothing; see 3:21-3:24 in this video. Now I know Clone Wars is exagurated however it is still canon lol. However in the new series he does destroy an army by himself. But back on topic I believe Kota would lose to Vader; with Vader taking some damage in the process

Actually it looked to me that Yoda had a harder time catching the piller from falling, then actually lifting it.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Actually it looked to me that Yoda had a harder time catching the piller from falling, then actually lifting it.

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
ORLY?

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It means oh really.

LOL. I think I know what Enyalus is referring to, though it does pretty much state the opposite. 😂

"Whether such boasts are true of not (they are not)..."

Perfect control? No. Enough to nearly perfectly manipulate it until he's cut off from the Force to the extent of transporting someone through the galaxy? Yes. Notice how you neglect the next sentence, though...

I like how Nebaris ignores ultra powerful techniques in the Dark Side rarely have perfect control. The control Palpatine did show, however, is near total

Which is rendered insignificant by the strong implications that the Eclipse (the only location he was shown to perform them) helped him focus his abilities, as well as the fact that his control would have been aided by the technique as well, according to the Freddom Nadd sourcebook.

I posted the proof for that on an old account here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=452755&pagenumber=7

"The power allows limited control of these Storms."

Yeah, good thing that Freedon Nadd's Force Storm is different from Palpatine and strictly related to meteorology. Palpatine's is a wormhole...and funny, how he's mentioned as the creator of and the only one to use this specific type of Force Storm.

The eclipse was not the only place he performed them. He created a storm while on byss, and sent it through hyperspace to coruscant. After he was cut off from the storm he had no more control. People put it like if he creates a storm he will automatically destroy himself from loss of control. I would say he had more control over the storms than he didn't.

Read the scan that I provided again. Look at the description. The Force Storm that Palpatine performed and the one described in the text are one in the same. Now, good day.

Your point being? The power behind them to control them to the extent he did is still unparalleled by any other Dark Sider

What are you talking about? You said Palpatine only shows the ability to create a force storm only in the eclipse. And that was not the only time he showed us the ability.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Well it did not look to me like Luke cut off Sidious's hand, so does it make it debateable. And it did say the storm was destroying the fleet, and Palpatine said that that is what he intended it to do.

sure it does. its perfectly debatable. its a debate you might not have many followers, but it IS debatable. the majority of people reading it will assume he did cut it off, but that is NOT ABSOLUTE PROOF. That's my whole point, you CAN'T prove anything from a picture.