He was defending himself the entire time and Spectre finally got mad enough to kill him.
He knew it was going to happen, he knew he couldn't stop Spectre, and he knew by his death that Spectre would be stopped, and the Tenth Age would begin.
He wasn't simply letting Spectre kill him, he was egging on Spectre until Spectre gained enough magic to destroy him. He knew that the only way to stop him, was by his own death. We all know that, but it's not just Nabu letting Spectre kill him.
Originally posted by Red HulkThis is what you said. Why dont I see this in the comic,anywhere.
Because Spectre asked if Nabu was just going to let him kill him, and Nabu said no.😐
Originally posted by Red HulkNice spin,but actually if the Spectre wasnt goin gto listen him he was letting the Spectre kill him.
He was defending himself the entire time and Spectre finally got mad enough to kill him.He knew it was going to happen, he knew he couldn't stop Spectre, and he knew by his death that Spectre would be stopped, and the Tenth Age would begin.
He wasn't simply letting Spectre kill him, he was egging on Spectre until Spectre gained enough magic to destroy him. He knew that the only way to stop him, was by his own death. We all know that, but it's not just Nabu letting Spectre kill him.
He had to goad him and taunt him into summoning the power needed to kill Nabu. Nabu let him kill him is the point. Your rusty.
Originally posted by redhotrashYou're right about Thanos. But he didn't mind watching Annihilus destroy world after world in Annihilation. He only opposed him when he himself was tricked. As for Dr. Doom. Well, I've scanned a whole bunch of scenes. At times, he is honorable and other times, outright evil. There are scenes like this where he shows his evil side and redeems himself. Doom is willing to sacrifice the lives of his subjects for power from an alien entity that is ravaging Latveria:
Ya know, Im not sure I'd classify Doom as evil. I mean who has he actually killed? He certainly doesnt consider himself evil. And Thanos has kinda gone soft in his old age, morally speaking.
But when a youth and a villager remind him of the innocent lives at stake and their faith in him as their monarch, Doom ends up sacrificing himself. Course not without first banishing that infernal Reed Richards:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsHunter01381.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsHunter02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsHunter03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsHunter04.jpg
I guess it's a reader's choice to figure out they personally think, so here's what I've seen of both the good and evil in Dr. Doom. Doom spares the Fantastic Four, although they are at his mercy:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomHonor0187.jpg
Doom is no savage and releases citizens of Wakanda after he obtains the info he wants:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomHonor02AstonishingTales6.jpg
Doom saves Cap's life, if only to heal his pride and make sure he doesn't feel indebted:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomHonor03SVTU11.jpg
A bit more of that honor that stops him from hurting harmless folk:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomHonor05143.jpg
Doom speaks of his oath to help Namor save Atlantis and it is not out of personal debt:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomHonor06SVTU13.jpg
Doom does keep his word to Stark after they make it back from Camelot:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomHonor07IronMan150.jpg
Doom chooses not to make war on the helpless, even Thing:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomHonor08MarvelTwoInOne96.jpg
Through Franklin's childlike innocence, Doom looks past his pride and agrees that he was mistaken in front of everyone, to save Kitty Pryde's life:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomHonor09FFvsXMen4.jpg
And well even Phoenix II used her abilities to determine whether he was evil or not and she says he is not:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomHonor10Excalibur37.jpg
But these next few scans are more recent and oughtta tell you how evil he is. Dr. Doom is willing to exchange poor Franklin to Mephisto for his mother's soul:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomEvil01FFAnnual20.jpg
Excalibur obviously doesn't like Dr. Doom:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomEvil02IronMan250.jpg
Yes, it is an artificial intelligence simulcrum of Frankling Richards on Counter-Earth, but dammit... he just wanted ponies:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomEvil04EmperorReturns2.jpg
His most evil act in Unthinkable... scrificing the only love of his life, body and soul, to demons for mystic power. She had run away from Doom early in his supervillain career only to be tracked down by him and manipulated into opening her heart to him again. Her face right before she touches that amulet... it's chilling considering what happens next:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomEvil0567.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomEvil0667.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/DoomEvil0767.jpg
While torturing Reed with images of Franklin Richards banished to Hell, Dr. Doom offers to release Reed's child if he surrenders. This is how he upholds his side of the bargain:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomUnthinkable16.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomUnthinkable17.jpg
Personally, I think Dr. Doom is evil.
Originally posted by quanchi112An exact quote isn't needed to see something. He didn't simply let him kill him like alluded to, and this is the part I remembered rather than word for word.
This is what you said. Why dont I see this in the comic,anywhere.Nice spin,but actually if the Spectre wasnt goin gto listen him he was letting the Spectre kill him.
He had to goad him and taunt him into summoning the power needed to kill Nabu. Nabu let him kill him is the point. Your rusty.
Spectre didn't come to his senses though.
I just said that, and the only thing you added was that he let him kill him. 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are falling for the Spectre's bs when he couldnt destroy magic at all. He just brought about the tenth age. He stated it himself that he was almost destroyed and had to have eclipso cart his sorry ass to space to recover. He also knew that he needed to die to bring about the tenth age. He wanted to help Spectre at this point and said so earlier in the same comic.
Im not sure what bs youre talking about. Spectre was trying to destroy all magic period till there was none left. Whatever magic he was trying to destroy through the entire series, he was doing so. Yea he stated that he was almost destroyed, but he also stated that he cant be destroyed till all magic is gone and then he is to destroy himself. I find it more logical for Spectre to be completely destroyed once ALL magic/agees of magic is gone rather than believing he was almost destroyed due to physical punishment.
Yea Nabu knew that he needed to die to bring on the next age of magic, but Nabu also knew that there was no way for anyone to defeat Spectre. Nabu even stated that he was gonna help the Spectre and speed the process up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Nabu wanted to be destroyed and let the Spectre kill him. Thats the bottom line.
Youre half right. Yes Nabus knew that in his plan he must be destroyed, however the only thing he LET Spectre do was kill him sooner than later. The bottom line is that Nabu was going to die anyways and he knew it. So rather than Spectre killing more ppl and Nabu being one of the last, he decided to speed it up.
Wow OnedumbGO, that was cool of ya to post all that. Doom I think is more the victim of bad writing. Anything in the past, oh, 5 years of continuity I take with a grain of salt. I really miss my Marvel comics of the late 80s and early 90s. Anyhow, Doom often shows a softer side. He delivered Sue and Reed's daughter and fought the Red Skull several times for example. So I dont think he is.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Because Spectre asked if Nabu was just going to let him kill him, and Nabu said no.😐
Originally posted by Red HulkWhen then please explain. You said on the next page this was stated. But,now since you know you were wrong have changed your stance to it was alluded to.
An exact quote isn't needed to see something. He didn't simply let him kill him like alluded to, and this is the part I remembered rather than word for word.Spectre didn't come to his senses though.
I just said that, and the only thing you added was that he let him kill him. 😬
What words led you to believe this. The fact remains Nabu let the Spectre kill him. You chimed in to be a smart ass and were dead wrong. I gave you time before I responded to come to your senses. The comic clearly shows I was right and you were wrong. Scans dont lie.
Originally posted by jrodslamSpectre wasnt destroying magic. Thats the point he was only returning it to its raw form. Nabu wanted to bring out the tenth age of magic. Spectre was clearly manipulated and falsely believed he was destroying magic which he wasnt.
Im not sure what bs youre talking about. Spectre was trying to destroy all magic period till there was none left. Whatever magic he was trying to destroy through the entire series, he was doing so. Yea he stated that he was almost destroyed, but he also stated that he cant be destroyed till all magic is gone and then he is to destroy himself. I find it more logical for Spectre to be completely destroyed once ALL magic/agees of magic is gone rather than believing he was almost destroyed due to physical punishment.Yea Nabu knew that he needed to die to bring on the next age of magic, but Nabu also knew that there was no way for anyone to defeat Spectre. Nabu even stated that he was gonna help the Spectre and speed the process up.
Youre half right. Yes Nabus knew that in his plan he must be destroyed, however the only thing he LET Spectre do was kill him sooner than later. The bottom line is that Nabu was going to die anyways and he knew it. So rather than Spectre killing more ppl and Nabu being one of the last, he decided to speed it up.
Nabu was going to help the Spectre because the tenth age needed to happen now. there was no turning back. He tried reasoning with the Spectre but then when he realized that the Spectre's mind couldnt be changed he goaded him into killing Nabu.
Nabu let him kill him. Thats it. Then Spectre was quickly spanked and yanked off to his next host.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Spectre wasnt destroying magic. Thats the point he was only returning it to its raw form. Nabu wanted to bring out the tenth age of magic. Spectre was clearly manipulated and falsely believed he was destroying magic which he wasnt.Nabu was going to help the Spectre because the tenth age needed to happen now. there was no turning back. He tried reasoning with the Spectre but then when he realized that the Spectre's mind couldnt be changed he goaded him into killing Nabu.
Nabu let him kill him. Thats it. Then Spectre was quickly spanked and yanked off to his next host.
Umm yea, Spectre was destroying magic. To a high degree actually. Magic was going to return to its raw form via a new age of magic that were to spawn, yes. Spectre was manipulated in thinking that he could completely destroy magic for good. THAT wasnt the case.
Nabu decided to help Spectre quickly and bring forth the new age of magic because it would have been fresh start of a new cycle. One that was already weakened and partially destroyed. Everyone's abilities were already weakend from spectres rampage which was destroying magic. Nabu knew he had to act quickly and thats why he was pushing him to destroy him faster.
You make it seem as if Spectre would have been incapable of killing Nabu, had Nabus plan were to stay alive. Thats not the case. Nabu already knew that Spectre would kill him, so part of his plan was to let him do it earlier just so the new age of magic would get started earlier.
Originally posted by jrodslamRight here in the scan I put up,Nabu tells the Spectre tha he didnt destroy magic. He cant and Spectre was so brainwashed he couldnt see this.
Umm yea, Spectre was destroying magic. To a high degree actually. Magic was going to return to its raw form via a new age of magic that were to spawn, yes. Spectre was manipulated in thinking that he could completely destroy magic for good. THAT wasnt the case.Nabu decided to help Spectre quickly and bring forth the new age of magic because it would have been fresh start of a new cycle. One that was already weakened and partially destroyed. Everyone's abilities were already weakend from spectres rampage which was destroying magic. Nabu knew he had to act quickly and thats why he was pushing him to destroy him faster.
You make it seem as if Spectre would have been incapable of killing Nabu, had Nabus plan were to stay alive. Thats not the case. Nabu already knew that Spectre would kill him, so part of his plan was to let him do it earlier just so the new age of magic would get started earlier.
I never said that the Spectre couldnt kill Nabu,but Nabu wanted him to kill him. So,crediting the Spectre with defeating Nabu is taking this comic out of context. Nabu wanted the Spectre to kill him and taunted him until he summoned enough magic to get the job done.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Right here in the scan I put up,Nabu tells the Spectre tha he didnt destroy magic. He cant and Spectre was so brainwashed he couldnt see this.I never said that the Spectre couldnt kill Nabu,but Nabu wanted him to kill him. So,crediting the Spectre with defeating Nabu is taking this comic out of context. Nabu wanted the Spectre to kill him and taunted him until he summoned enough magic to get the job done.
Nabu told Spectre that it wasnt possible he destroyed the magic he captured. Spectre himself is a magical being. All magic in the universe was already weakened from Spectre killing and draining people.
Its safe to credit Spectre with killing Nabu because it was inevitable. Nothing is being taking out of context. Nabu was going to die either way. Nabu Stated that there would be no hope of Stopping Spectre. THAT is when he decided to speed up the process of bringing the new age forth.
Originally posted by jrodslamI am not denying that Nabu couldnt defeat Spectre,but he didnt want to. He wanted to aid the Spectre in establishing the tenth age. Magic wasnt being destroyed as the Spectre was delusional. Nabu goaded him into killing him. So,Spectre killed a character who wanted to be killed. Its all there in black and white.
Nabu told Spectre that it wasnt possible he destroyed the magic he captured. Spectre himself is a magical being. All magic in the universe was already weakened from Spectre killing and draining people.Its safe to credit Spectre with killing Nabu because it was inevitable. Nothing is being taking out of context. Nabu was going to die either way. Nabu Stated that there would be no hope of Stopping Spectre. THAT is when he decided to speed up the process of bringing the new age forth.
