Metron and Worlock vs. Thanos and Darksied

Originally posted by vansonbee
[B]Hey hey! you said it. How did he acquire these Powered Artifacts in the first part? You can't just put it aside, Thanos work up good plan to acquire those through planning

That is the thing; his plans to get those WEREN'T good.

How did he get the Infinity Gems? He went around and beat people up for their gems. Hardly a master stratagem. You can argue that his TACTICS were decent (though getting Champion to destroy the planet was really the smartest thing he did...which is said) but his strategy was the picture of simplicity.

How did he get the Heart of the Universe? Well, we don't know since the story as it appeared isn't exactly canon. But even assuming it happened exactly as presented...he saw an opportunity and took it. And nothing more than that.

What was his grand plan against Annihilus? He didn't have one, but to set what he created free. What his grand plan to defeat the Hunger? Nuke it. What was his grand plan to defeat Omega? Nuke it.

Infinity War and Infinity Crusade was both Adam and he planning, so those are shared strategy feats.

So...no, Thanos' schemes are hardly the stuff of legend.

As for the battle, Metron isn't going to be great on outplanning anyone. Metron, as a concept, is science unrestrained. For sciences' sake, and nothing more. Metron is knowledge, and HIMON is the application of knowledge.

So he'll basically be Warlock's info and tech guy, but he isn't going to be planning any great defeat.

As such, I'd say Thanos and Darkseid would probably win. They have technology about equal to that of Metron -- Recall that Metron wanted the belt of strength that Apokolips possessed AND need Apokolips' X-element -- with two good strategic minds vs 1 (Adam Warlock's).

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Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Darkseid was easily defeated in countdown along with mary marvel. his power source was destroyed rather quickly.

Darkseid was killed in countdown by the likes of Orion.

This is honestly the funniest 'bad showing' I could ever hear from a Thanos fan, given that the depowered DRAX ripped out Thanos' heart and was none the worse for wear as a result.

At least Darkseid's battle with Orion messed Orion up, leaving him on the brink of death.

Originally posted by Nihilist
and he gained the gems whilst tricking mistress death.

Um, tricking, really?

He just lied to her, and she took him at his word.

What genius!

Team DS/Thanos kills and since this is not a DS vs Thanos thread (again) that's all is needed to be said...

Plus I've seen posts with DS manhandling Metron like a small blinded, armless retarded b1tch...

Originally posted by comicfan11
Team DS/Thanos kills and since this is not a DS vs Thanos thread (again) that's all is needed to be said...

Plus I've seen posts with DS manhandling Metron like a small blinded, armless retarded b1tch...

Well physically it's even MORE obvious, but I this is a prep battle.

OOOh soryyy.
Didn't wathc the thread rules...

In this case I laso have to go with team DS/Thanos.
Warlock might be able to show some tricks to Thanos form time to time but DS has made Metron look like a noob in scheming many times.

Thus team stoneface.

He also made Metron his slave in Rock of Ages.

Originally posted by Desaad
He also made Metron his slave in Rock of Ages.

One of those instances that he makes Metron look like a noob 😄

See, that's the difference between Morrison and Starlin. Metron didn't look bad for that. He didn't enslave Metron, he used the ALE on him. What corrupted Metron, was his own thirst for knowledge. Which, as everyone who knows the character knows, has made him sell out the universe to Darkseid before. All Darkseid did was bring the darker side of Metron to the surface.

And this was done without insulting the readers or Metron's character.

I'm not sure I get what you are saying. Rock of Ages' Metron was clearly Darkseid's slave, as he was verbally stroking the Darkseid and directly following his orders.

It doesn't look bad really because Orion and Darkseid are the absolute alphas of the New God mythos and so it's expected and accepted for the others not to look quite up to their snuff.

Originally posted by Desaad
I'm not sure I get what you are saying. Rock of Ages' Metron was clearly Darkseid's slave, as he was verbally stroking the Darkseid and directly following his orders.

It doesn't look bad really because Orion and Darkseid are the absolute alphas of the New God mythos and so it's expected and accepted for the others not to look quite up to their snuff.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
But his subconscious failure complex has always haunted him.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Metron is actually the inbetween of the new gods mythos.

To a degree, yes, in the sense that he is selfish and pragmatic rather than actually evil or good.

He's more 'unknown' then he is 'in between', a concept better characterized by Orion (who is born of evil, raised in good and struggling with both...poised BETWEEN Darkness and Light, after all.)

And Morrison like metron.

No doubt, and he does a great job with him.

Metron seems to be the alpha of the new Gods. He is the one who schemes and gives man the weapon that will lead to mankinds salvation.

That doesn't make him the Alpha of the New Gods though. Just the New God that interacts with humanity more, in the beginning.

And THAT is likely just because he is the God of Knowledge, so it's HIS duty to impart knowledge to humanity.

And it was metron whom the source allowed to see his final plans. Metron is the best, smartest, and brightest among all new gods.

No, he really isn't.

He's the smartest, yes, but that is only true in terms of intellectual intelligence. He certainly isn't the brightest -- Thats Lightray or Highfather or Serifan or Mr. Miracle -- and he isn't the best either, as he REGULARLY goes back on his word or performs extremely questionable acts to get what he wants.

The Source - or that energy being masquerading as the Source - liked him precisely because he was so morally grey, not because he was the best.

He isn't the alpha either. Orion, Highfather and Darkseid have all shown clear dominance over him when it came down to it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Metron is actually the inbetween of the new gods mythos. And Morrison like metron. Metron seems to be the alpha of the new Gods. He is the one who schemes and gives man the weapon that will lead to mankinds salvation. And it was metron whom the source allowed to see his final plans. Metron is the best, smartest, and brightest among all new gods.

Yep! Metron is like the Baldur of the new gods, he's not Darkseid or Highfather in the power department, but he has many of their strong qualities.

TERRIBLE example. Baldur was the favored son of Odin, and considered the fairest and most magnanimous. The entire world weeped to revive him.

Metron is closer to a combination of Heimdall and Prometheus.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yep! Metron is like the Baldur of the new gods, he's not Darkseid or Highfather in the power department, but he has many of their strong qualities.

What?

No, Lightray is the God of Light for the New Gods, and if anyone conceptually represented Baldur it would be Scott Free.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's doable. thanos is near Darkseid's level, in terms of intellect. But his subconscious failure complex has always haunted him.

Adam Warlock has Thanos's number. And that could give them an edge. Thanos could be a handicap to his team because of Warlock.

Originally posted by Desaad
This is honestly the funniest 'bad showing' I could ever hear from a Thanos fan, given that the depowered DRAX ripped out Thanos' heart and was none the worse for wear as a result.

At least Darkseid's battle with Orion messed Orion up, leaving him on the brink of death.

Originally posted by Desaad
I'm not sure I get what you are saying. Rock of Ages' Metron was clearly Darkseid's slave, as he was verbally stroking the Darkseid and directly following his orders.

It doesn't look bad really because Orion and Darkseid are the absolute alphas of the New God mythos and so it's expected and accepted for the others not to look quite up to their snuff.

The fact that Drax was created to destroy Thanos means nothing. He had failed numerous other times, but apparently it wasn't an issue of strength so much as skill. The effects mentioned in the book were simply that he could sense Thanos, his adrenaline got pumping when he got close, and he was compelled to kill him.

Thanos tried to stop him with an energy shield, which apparently wasn't powerful enough to stop a sub top tier.

Terrible, TERRIBLE showing for Thanos. Certainly moreso than Orion killing Darkseid.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And back to the topic at hand, can metron and warlock counter prep the stone face duo?

Thanos also let Mephisto be his right hand man for shits and giggles. He later deceived meph out of a functioning cosmic cube. Thanos schemed the devil himself,not desaad or granny goodness. Those are the buffoons who are in his court.

Originally posted by llagrok
He never outsmarted Galactus, because it was always one-sided prep.

Galactus was never plotting against Thanos, Thanos was just trying to gain powerful items. Thanos never really outsmarts Galactus, can your mind grasp this? Getting THOTU wasn't Thanos outsmarting the LT or any other abstracts, none of them were trying to acquire that power nor were any of them trying to "fight" Thanos. Was the event with "Hunger" supposed to be an example of Thanos outsmarting Galactus? Because it was laughable.

Let's say that John plans to kill the unaware Joe. John purchases a gun and shoots Joe. Did John outsmart Joe?

The answer: You're all retards.

Originally posted by Desaad
The fact that Drax was created to destroy Thanos means nothing. He had failed numerous other times, but apparently it wasn't an issue of strength so much as skill. The effects mentioned in the book were simply that he could sense Thanos, his adrenaline got pumping when he got close, and he was compelled to kill him.

Thanos tried to stop him with an energy shield, which apparently wasn't powerful enough to stop a sub top tier.

Terrible, TERRIBLE showing for Thanos. Certainly moreso than Orion killing Darkseid.

Darkseid couldnt beat Superman and had to resort to using jimmy olsen to gain an advantage. Then Orion pwned him in a fair fight. Orion wasnt created to destroy Darkseid.