Metron and Worlock vs. Thanos and Darksied

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
New gods powerup does exist. It's easily within his ability to recreate. Godwave, well, that one is out. But in case you didn't notice, Ares beat him to the punch, but Darkseid was prepared for that regardless. He still managed to trap Ares with his tech, despite universal power backing Ares.

"NO ONE OUTSCHEMES A MOTIVATED THANOS." Adam Warlock, God, Captain Mar-Vel, Mephisto briefly, Fantastic 4, Mistress Death, and if you count his interference in Annihilation, Drax.

Thanos was hand-picked by god. Yes, he was good enough to figure it out, but only after he gained it did he realize it was a poison pill.

Thanos accomplishes his goals? Then why isn't he still ruler of the universe, wielder of the infinity gauntlet, etc? Because like almost every other villain, Thanos too fails. the big problem is, Thanos causes his own downfall. He has a massive failure/inferiority complex which has cost him ultimate power no less than 3 times.

Darkseid may lose, but at least he doesn't lose because of an innate weakness or personality failing. 🙄

Thanos's biggest problem is ironically what you call his strength. Starlin. The man is a hack writer, and it hurts Thanos's character. See, Starlin can write some people well, perhaps even brilliantly. But he has a noted tendency to do so at the expense of others. Making his creations look better by comparison, he dumbs down the opposition. Which is why he's inferior to truly great writers like Ellis, Morrison, Johns, Ostrander and Simone.

it is entirely possible to make a villain look great, while still respecting and acknowledging the hero's abilities and character. And in that, is Starlin's failing. He's unoriginal, repetative, and appears to have a genuine lack of writing talent. 😄

Darkseid was beaten to the punch but knew enough about the situation to know when to strike. But Ares clearly outprepped him. That doesnt happen to Thanos.

Thanos loses yes but who on this list has outschemed him? Drax showed up at the right time. Thats it. The rest are heroes who beat him when the time is right. When did Mephisto trick him?

Thanos fixed all of creation and then restored himself. He upgraded himself and restored his lost fleet,and you called it a poison pill. 😂 Thanos even turned that into his advantage. He is that friggin good.

Thanos hasnt lost due to his subconscious since the ig my friend. Thanos accomplishes his goal but you as a reader must know by now that the villain has to lose sooner or later. Do you really think that either Darkseid or Thanos will rule the universe for years to come? Are ya serious?

Darkseid loses because he mucks up. He fails. He is incompetent compared to Thanos. Darkseid accomplishes less with his own planet and his own personal army. Thats bad.

The rest is all your opinion which is off imo.

Starlin was asked to pen the death of the new gods. I think its kind of ironic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid prepped for this new gods powerup due to his savy regarding the Source and his plan. He couldnt do it again.

Darkseid was beaten to the punch but knew enough about the situation to know when to strike. But Ares clearly outprepped him. That doesnt happen to Thanos.

Thanos loses yes but who on this list has outschemed him? Drax showed up at the right time. Thats it. The rest are heroes who beat him when the time is right. When did Mephisto trick him?

Thanos fixed all of creation and then restored himself. He upgraded himself and restored his lost fleet,and you called it a poison pill. 😂 Thanos even turned that into his advantage. He is that friggin good.

Thanos hasnt lost due to his subconscious since the ig my friend. Thanos accomplishes his goal but you as a reader must know by now that the villain has to lose sooner or later. Do you really think that either Darkseid or Thanos will rule the universe for years to come? Are ya serious?

Darkseid loses because he mucks up. He fails. He is incompetent compared to Thanos. Darkseid accomplishes less with his own planet and his own personal army. Thats bad.

The rest is all your opinion which is off imo.

Starlin was asked to pen the death of the new gods. I think its kind of ironic.

Originally posted by fangirl101
This EFFING THREAD IS NOT ABOUT DS AGAINT EFFING THANOS. God Damnit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I responded to his post.

And last I checked, DS engineered himself and all the new Gods to be reborn at galactus levels. And he wins ultimately in the FINAL CRISIS. So um yeah. There you have it. But we don't know what trick metron has up his sleeve either. I'm going on a 50/50 split in this thread.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And last I checked, DS engineered himself and all the new Gods to be reborn at galactus levels. And he wins ultimately in the FINAL CRISIS. So um yeah. There you have it. But we don't know what trick metron has up his sleeve either. I'm going on a 50/50 split in this thread.

Sorry,I couldnt resist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds will lose in fc like he always does. Thanos has become supreme while Ds is stuck emailing the ale. 😂

Sorry,I couldnt resist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So, your ignoring the fact that he was his silver bullet and that his ranking as a character had nothing to do with that.

No, I'm recognizing that being a 'silver bullet' means nothing because he's been exactly that for his entire career. Being a Silver Bullet might just mean he had the right combination of skills, strength, speed and invulnerability to kill Thanos -- Which he clearly did.

I'm recalling that the only effect in the actual narration was that being close to Thanos got his adrenaline pumping -- so if you want to argue that Drax was at the top of his game for his confrontation with Thanos, knock yourself out.

Drax just underwent a transformation and keith giffen obviously gave him new powers that no other writer had dared give him.

Haha, 'dared to give you'. A bit pompous, don't you think?

Drax had already been changed from one form to another. What exactly do you think happened with this last one that suddenly activated this silver bullet clause that has never existed before?

He still cheapshotted the very character he was created to destroy. Not a horrible showing at all,no matter how you try to slant it.

It is absolutely a terrible showing to have your heart ripped out by a character on that level. He's a mid level character.

Darkseid couldnt beat Superman and had to resort to using jimmy olsen to gain an advantage.

Whats nice about that is that it's all been retconned -- those were just Darkseid avatars.

Then Orion pwned him in a fair fight. Orion wasnt created to destroy Darkseid.

Orion has been destined to destroy/kill Darkseid since the very inception of the character. The entire Drax/Thanos duality was directly LIFTED from the Orion/Darkseid prophecy (just as all Starlin's cosmic cast was directly ripped off from the New Gods...Titanians were a technologically advanced offshoot of the Greek Gods originally...so basically the new Gods...Pip was Oberon, Adam Warlock was Mr. Miracle right down to the christ allusions...Drax was Orion...Thanos was Darkseid....Gamora was Big Barda...ya get me?).

I have to say that your choice of classification -- being taken down by a single punch, ripping out your heart by a mid tier character isn't a bad showing, but having an all out battle with a top tier who had just flung aside the entire JLA with a gesture, a battle that lasted an issue and which caused the death of your opponent as well...thats a pwning.

Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Desaad
Whats nice about that is that it's all been retconned -- those were just Darkseid avatars.

Originally posted by Desaad
Orion has been destined to destroy/kill Darkseid since the very inception of the character. The entire Drax/Thanos duality was directly LIFTED from the Orion/Darkseid prophecy (just as all Starlin's cosmic cast was directly ripped off from the New Gods...Titanians were a technologically advanced offshoot of the Greek Gods originally...so basically the new Gods...Pip was Oberon, Adam Warlock was Mr. Miracle right down to the christ allusions...Drax was Orion...Thanos was Darkseid....Gamora was Big Barda...ya get me?).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]No they weren't. Neither was the one that got his ass kicked in Superman/Batman.

As per Final Crisis, it seems as though they were.

I'm not referring to the John Byrne New Gods 15 retcon, mind you -- that didn't outright retcon anything, as I've been saying for many, many years.

Originally posted by Desaad
As per Final Crisis, it seems as though they were.

I'm not referring to the John Byrne New Gods 15 retcon, mind you -- that didn't outright retcon anything, as I've been saying for many, many years.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No.

From the rest of your post it is getting pretty clear that you don't know what I'm talking about here, so I'm just going to ignore the rest and give a brief explanation. If I'm not clear enough, please feel free to sift through the very many Morrison interviews on the subject.

SPOILERS FOR FINAL CRISIS

But basically the Morrison idea is that we've never actually seen the New Gods fully manifest in the physical DCU. That for a number of reasons, both the nature of the universe and the ever raging battle between the gods of New Genesis and Apokolips, we've only seen...projections, into the DCU. Something akin to the Flesh Suit we saw Asmodel use in Paradise Lost.

Hence what we are getting in Final Crisis with Darkseid first as a large black man, then as Dan "Terrible" Turpin, Kalibak and the rest of the New Gods as humans.

Supposedly Final Crisis will be our first exposure to full New Gods, an event that will be akin to 'a dozen Galactus' arriving on earth'.

Yeah, well we'll see how that plays out, but thats what we've been told.

^ Which doesn't mean crap when we discuss Darkseid in vs forums, because we don't know how Final Crisis will turn out. Therefore, arguing that "Darkseid getting his butt kicked by Superman was just all avatars" is pointless until we see this new Darkseid who must obviously be more powerful.

Originally posted by Desaad
No, I'm recognizing that being a 'silver bullet' means nothing because he's been exactly that for his entire career. Being a Silver Bullet might just mean he had the right combination of skills, strength, speed and invulnerability to kill Thanos -- Which he clearly did.

I'm recalling that the only effect in the actual narration was that being close to Thanos got his adrenaline pumping -- so if you want to argue that Drax was at the top of his game for his confrontation with Thanos, knock yourself out.

Haha, 'dared to give you'. A bit pompous, don't you think?

Drax had already been changed from one form to another. What exactly do you think happened with this last one that suddenly activated this silver bullet clause that has never existed before?

It is absolutely a terrible showing to have your heart ripped out by a character on that level. He's a mid level character.

Whats nice about that is that it's all been retconned -- those were just Darkseid avatars.

Orion has been destined to destroy/kill Darkseid since the very inception of the character. The entire Drax/Thanos duality was directly LIFTED from the Orion/Darkseid prophecy (just as all Starlin's cosmic cast was directly ripped off from the New Gods...Titanians were a technologically advanced offshoot of the Greek Gods originally...so basically the new Gods...Pip was Oberon, Adam Warlock was Mr. Miracle right down to the christ allusions...Drax was Orion...Thanos was Darkseid....Gamora was Big Barda...ya get me?).

I have to say that your choice of classification -- being taken down by a single punch, ripping out your heart by a mid tier character isn't a bad showing, but having an all out battle with a top tier who had just flung aside the entire JLA with a gesture, a battle that lasted an issue and which caused the death of your opponent as well...thats a pwning.

Ridiculous.

Well,I believe Giffen changed the rules. You do realize writers can do whatever they want. I think he saw Drax adapt. He adapted laregely due to the fact,that all his previous encounters with Thanos came up with a big goose egg. He was less powerful,but more suited to take out Thanos. Hence,the silver bullet theory.

Thanos had his back turned,Drax had recently undergone a dramatic transformation,and your ignoring the sole purpose for Drax's creation. Again,he was created for the sole purpose of destroying Thanos.

Really,when? Scans?

Orion had already killed Darkseid. The prophecy was already fulfilled. So,try again. Thanos was insrpied by Darkseid. But, the gobots were before the transfromer as well. Transformers>>Gobots,just like Thanos>Darkseid. Its simple really and its only based on your subjective personal opinion on these matters. Dont take this personally.

First off,the battle between Darkseid and Orion lasted a lot less than an issue. He fought Olsen at first,and then Orion showed up in the middle of the book. Orion pwned him. He had to call off support as he could take him on his own in a fair fight. Darkseid had screwed up so badly,that he fought Orion on his own with Supes and them watching on waiting to tear into Darkseid,because of Orion's honor. It only took one top tier to beat Ds in battle. This theme keeps repeating itself. Top tiers standing up to Darkseid.He destroyed Darkseid in a fair fight. Drax was created to kill Thanos and punched his heart out with his back turned. Huge difference.

In closing,Orion was destined to kill Darkseid which he already had,while Drax was created for the sole purpose of destroying Thanos. He needed a cheapshot to do it.

You all can't play nice so the thread's closed. It's sad that people can't be civil. With some people, things always get reduced to petty rivalries, fanboyism and trolling.