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Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He outsped him before that. Russell was trying to flee, yet still Eric caught him and prevented him from leaving. Warlow had to be restrained by magical chains for Eric to stand a chance. Russell also visibly struggled to overpower the 500 year old Roman before staking him. At least Warlow never had a difficulty in overwhelming Bill unlike Russell did with Roman.

Bill used a speeding Warlow's momentum against him from a convenient position. Bill got kicked off because he clung to Warlow's legs. He didn't even try to tackle him again and only clung to Warlow's lower body. Warlow easily threw off the younger and inferior vampire.

The portal's energy was emanating all over Niall's body including his arms. That dimension contained Warlow for 20 years. 2+2=fish in the failworld of quanlogic.

Lol, still sticking to the lone Jessica/Tara incidence. Season 6 revalidated the older vs younger trope in the Vamp Camp with Violet and Eric dominating the genpops. I understand true blood lore and how it works, unlike you who only goes off on fanboy rants.

Yeah, and Bill lost the moment he bit her. Vampires usually move to drain their victims. Maryann had evolved beyond the True Death at that point in the series and as mentioned before, a convoluted series of events were required to render her vulnerable for the Bon Temps residents to kill her. Lilith was the most powerful and versatile vampire ever shown on the series. Superstrength, superspeed, telekinesis, precognition, invincible to staking etc. Lol, Eric didn't stake Bilith. Sookie did so when his back was turned. It had no effect on him. How many times are you going to lie and lowball using this faux low showing?

That title rightfully belongs to either Maryann or Lilith.

Eric came right for him and drained him like some rape victim. Shameful showing for the 5,500 year old vampire. He let Sookie tie him up. 😂

Russell staked him. Bill would have staked Warlow. 😂
Salome said only Russell could do so whereas Warlow's vampire strength never killed or ko'd one vampire. 😂

Keep telling yourself this and maybe you will believe it. Warlow kicked him due to him being no the ground after the plane jump. Not one vampire beaten due to his vampire strength and he kicked and struck Bill. 😂 weak showing.

Warlow wasn't in the dimension Niall was. Niall held him back. Easily. Warlow stood there while saying Sookie. What a puss. Then Jason the idiot Stackhouse gave him the true death.

No, you don't. You use certain showings, ignore others, and make stuff up without any evidence to support it. Older vamps do beat younger vampires but not always. I have destroyed your case by two examples and the Bill/Warlow example shreds your case with how pathetic Warlow looked in comparison.

They don't always bite their opponents. They stake them, destroy them, rip hearts out, slap heads off, etc. bill was physically stronger and faster. Once he discovered her insanity they killed her. Easily defeated.

Throw Eric at her and he'd toss her around like a Warlow doll. Marnie actually owned vampires while Maryann was simply an unknown and the moment she was known she died.
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False. Lilith was never really alive on the show and only in flashbacks. Russell dominated the show in two seasons. He did what he wanted. Maryann went down and never owned anything more than Bill who at the time was an ignorant vampire.

Originally posted by quanchi112
With weakness exploitation. Bill jumped on Russell and tried to stake him before he was flung off.

Eric came right for him and drained him like some rape victim. Shameful showing for the 5,500 year old vampire. He let Sookie tie him up. 😂

Russell staked him. Bill would have staked Warlow. 😂
Salome said only Russell could do so whereas Warlow's vampire strength never killed or ko'd one vampire. 😂

Keep telling yourself this and maybe you will believe it. Warlow kicked him due to him being no the ground after the plane jump. Not one vampire beaten due to his vampire strength and he kicked and struck Bill. 😂 weak showing.

Warlow wasn't in the dimension Niall was. Niall held him back. Easily. Warlow stood there while saying Sookie. What a puss. Then Jason the idiot Stackhouse gave him the true death.

No, you don't. You use certain showings, ignore others, and make stuff up without any evidence to support it. Older vamps do beat younger vampires but not always. I have destroyed your case by two examples and the Bill/Warlow example shreds your case with how pathetic Warlow looked in comparison.

They don't always bite their opponents. They stake them, destroy them, rip hearts out, slap heads off, etc. bill was physically stronger and faster. Once he discovered her insanity they killed her. Easily defeated.

Throw Eric at her and he'd toss her around like a Warlow doll. Marnie actually owned vampires while Maryann was simply an unknown and the moment she was known she died.
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False. Lilith was never really alive on the show and only in flashbacks. Russell dominated the show in two seasons. He did what he wanted. Maryann went down and never owned anything more than Bill who at the time was an ignorant vampire.

Eric did that to a magic-chained Warlow. Eric staked an unrestrained and faerie-high Russell.

Russell struggled to overpower a 500 year old vampire before staking him. Somehow that translates as a great showing in your world.

Warlow kicked off the inferior vampire like a dog. Bill was no match for him. Warlow's focus was Sookie throughout that episode, everybody else was a minor bump on the road that he overcame with relative ease.

Niall's body was engulfed by the dimension's energy. It contained Warlow for 20 years. Reason explained. Older vamps beat younger vamps in majority of the cases. Warlow has never been beaten by a younger vamp in a fair fight. Warlow has beaten younger vamps in direct confrontations. Point proven.

Most of those tactics are usually only effective against other vampires. Guess what, Maryann is a maenad, not a vampire. She had evolved beyond the true death at that point in the series, and special circumstances were required to make her vulnerable to be killed. What the phuck are you trying to prove by claiming that Lilith wasn't alive? Yeah, she wasn't alive, but that doesn't take away from the fact that she was established as the mightiest vampire on the show. Invincible to staking, telekinetic, precognitive, stronger than any other vampire, her array of powers makes her a superhero among vampires. Russell himself was rightfully awed the first time he laid eyes on her. There's a reason for that. It's because she was the most vampirest vampire that ever lived.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Weakness exploitation came into play only after he caught a fleeing Russell. He straight up outsped Russell in that instance. Russell did so after he'd already witnessed Bill stake another vampire. Russell was ready for him.

Eric did that to a magic-chained Warlow. Eric staked an unrestrained and faerie-high Russell.

Russell struggled to overpower a 500 year old vampire before staking him. Somehow that translates as a great showing in your world.

Warlow kicked off the inferior vampire like a dog. Bill was no match for him. Warlow's focus was Sookie throughout that episode, everybody else was a minor bump on the road that he overcame with relative ease.

Niall's body was engulfed by the dimension's energy. It contained Warlow for 20 years. Reason explained. Older vamps beat younger vamps in majority of the cases. Warlow has never been beaten by a younger vamp in a fair fight. Warlow has beaten younger vamps in direct confrontations. Point proven.

Most of those tactics are usually only effective against other vampires. Guess what, Maryann is a maenad, not a vampire. She had evolved beyond the true death at that point in the series, and special circumstances were required to make her vulnerable to be killed. What the phuck are you trying to prove by claiming that Lilith wasn't alive? Yeah, she wasn't alive, but that doesn't take away from the fact that she was established as the mightiest vampire on the show. Invincible to staking, telekinetic, precognitive, stronger than any other vampire, her array of powers makes her a superhero among vampires. Russell himself was rightfully awed the first time he laid eyes on her. There's a reason for that. It's because she was the most vampirest vampire that ever lived.

Warlow could have bitten him but did not. Eric staked a high, being attacked by 20 plus Fae, guard lowered Russell. Context. 🙂

Russell staked him. Russell was the only one powerful enough to do so per Salome. Russell then easily overpowered Eric who doubles Roman's age. Roman is a lot older than Bill who impaled Warlow. 🙂

Warlow did not hurt Bill. Kicked and flew away. Cowardly. 🙂
False. Warlow died. Warlow was overpowered and staked by Jason while looking at him helplessly. Awful.

The reason is Niall could not escape on his own but he could restrain Warlow on his own. You make a case for Warlow being even more pathetic without even knowing it. Warlow never beat a younger vampire in a fair fight either. Warlow beat Bill due to him not being able to enter the home. Warlow has never ko'd or beaten a vampire without his Fae magic. 🙂

You continue to repeat yourself in some kind of silly attempt to debate. Maryann was defeated. Vampires were generally ignorant of her but she still went down. Bill overpowered her. Vampires who have no knowledge of her might make the same mistake and bite her. That's it. Lilith was the first but not the mightiest by way of feats. She had self control, whoopty do.

Russell Edgington was the most formidable character on the show. She started the race and he saw her spiritual form which is not the same thing as her physical form.

Russell defied her at the end. That's Russell Edgington for ya, noob.

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You people never stop.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
You people never stop.

So Rikudo, why do you think the next season is the last?

Originally posted by BloodRain
So Rikudo, why do you think the next season is the last?

Originally posted by BloodRain
So Rikudo, why do you think the next season is the last?

I also have more to add on to what Quanchi said. Aside from the business talks I think it is good that they end at season 7. They are retuning to the original roots of the show and the story.

It would be like ending where they started. If they can handle it like season 1 then they can end it of great.

Better to end of good then bad.

http://www.hypable.com/2013/09/03/true-blood-season-7-finale/

BON VOYAGE TRUE BLOOD!

Turns out I was right 🙂

^They should have called it off with Season 6 itself, but one season too late isn't bad enough.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Eric just as Bill can use their speed to attack him but not defeat him. Eric used silver. Your point is silly since we have seen Bill use his speed to catch Warlow off guard to the point of staking him. Russell was it ready as he successfully jumped onto his deltoids. Russell easily shrugged him off and laughed at him unlike Warlow who was impaled.

Warlow could have bitten him but did not. Eric staked a high, being attacked by 20 plus Fae, guard lowered Russell. Context. 🙂

Russell staked him. Russell was the only one powerful enough to do so per Salome. Russell then easily overpowered Eric who doubles Roman's age. Roman is a lot older than Bill who impaled Warlow. 🙂

Warlow did not hurt Bill. Kicked and flew away. Cowardly. 🙂
False. Warlow died. Warlow was overpowered and staked by Jason while looking at him helplessly. Awful.

The reason is Niall could not escape on his own but he could restrain Warlow on his own. You make a case for Warlow being even more pathetic without even knowing it. Warlow never beat a younger vampire in a fair fight either. Warlow beat Bill due to him not being able to enter the home. Warlow has never ko'd or beaten a vampire without his Fae magic. 🙂

You continue to repeat yourself in some kind of silly attempt to debate. Maryann was defeated. Vampires were generally ignorant of her but she still went down. Bill overpowered her. Vampires who have no knowledge of her might make the same mistake and bite her. That's it. Lilith was the first but not the mightiest by way of feats. She had self control, whoopty do.

Russell Edgington was the most formidable character on the show. She started the race and he saw her spiritual form which is not the same thing as her physical form.

Russell defied her at the end. That's Russell Edgington for ya, noob.

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Warlow was pretty much immobilized in that position. Sookie caught him off-guard when she managed to bite him, and he himself could only take a bite out of her when she purposely offered him her neck. If biting in that position is as simple as you're making it out to be, then a hungry and uncontrollable vampire would have done so especially when offered fae blood from Sookie herself.

So you're admitting that neither Eric nor Salome were capable of killing Roman? I am emphasizing the word "capable" here, because everyone knows how you love to twist things around.

Yeah, and in case you decided to be selectively blind(nothing to worry about, since this is a common trait of yours) while viewing that scene, Niall's whole body was engulfed by that dimension. That dimension is specifically meant to imprison vampires, which is why seasoned faeries like Claudine and the Elder use that ability. It contained Warlow for 20 years, and the only reason he even managed to escape apart from his fae powers was the beacon that the Hot Wings Fae provided when they channeled nature's memories on the bridge.

Maryann was the true immortal in the entire series until a specific set of events were utilized to render her vulnerable. She evolved beyond the true death, something no other creature ever achieved. Lilith was the oldest and strongest vampire shown in the series. Immune to staking, telekinetic, precognitive etc. I already mentioned in a previous post how Bill attained the powers of an 8000 year old vampire when he consumed her blood, but clearly you choose to ignore this perfectly logical and canon fact, being what you are.

Eric, Sookie, Kibwe and the Hot Wings Fae(who fell like flies before a 20 year starved Warlow) disagree.

Russell went on a crazy bloodlust fueled daywalking mission, and ended up with a stake in the chest in an anti-climatic fashion. Maybe if he'd clung to Lilith's tits a little longer, he might have discovered that she created the key to solve all his problems 5500 years ago in the form of Macklyn Warlow. Well, beggars can't be choosers after all.

I believe Lilith is only 6000 years old. Just like the bible stories.

^Lilith in True Blood is a different character from the actual Biblical Lilith. Not to mention that there is the case of the vampires having their own bible in the show, known as the Original Testament.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Lilith in True Blood is a different character from the actual Biblical Lilith. Not to mention that there is the case of the vampires having their own bible in the show, known as the Original Testament.

I'm aware of that. But there is not much credibility to the vamp bible.

Warlow was around like what 5000 years old. He was one of her first progeny. I would imagine since her creation she was looking for someone to turn. SO there wasn't that much time in between.

So I would think she is 6000 years old at best which shows that the writers are trying to mimic the bible.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
I'm aware of that. But there is not much credibility to the vamp bible.

Warlow was around like what 5000 years old. He was one of her first progeny. I would imagine since her creation she was looking for someone to turn. SO there wasn't that much time in between.

So I would think she is 6000 years old at best which shows that the writers are trying to mimic the bible.

Warlow was only mentioned to be one of her progeny, not the first one she ever made. We already know that after Warlow killed her, another progeny collected her remains which eventually found its way to the Authority. Based on the way those nude Sirens have been portrayed, it's not farfetched that they were among the other progeny.

The original script for the season 6 pilot clearly tells us that Bill acquired the power of an 8000 year old vampire. Unless you subscribe to the belief that her blood kept increasing in power over the ages, that's the level she was at at the time of her true death.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Why exactly? Pretty much everything that the Book of Lilith said was true per Nora, and she made this claim at a time when she hated Lilith and was about to die.

Warlow was only mentioned to be one of her progeny, not the first one she ever made. We already know that after Warlow killed her, another progeny collected her remains which eventually found its way to the Authority. Based on the way those nude Sirens have been portrayed, it's not farfetched that they were among the other progeny.

The original script for the season 6 pilot clearly tells us that Bill acquired the power of an 8000 year old vampire. Unless you subscribe to the belief that her blood kept increasing in power over the ages, that's the level she was at at the time of her true death.

Well it says that Adam and Eve were created to sustain her. They are thought to be the first humans. Humans are older than 6000-8000 years old. So right away I think it is false.

Yeah I didn't say he was the first. But I would think she wouldn't be so far off from his.

I actually read that as well. But can an old script be used as a canon source? I don't have a problem with that. I think it's cool. But do you have an interview that says the same thing?

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Well it says that Adam and Eve were created to sustain her. They are thought to be the first humans. Humans are older than 6000-8000 years old. So right away I think it is false.

Yeah I didn't say he was the first. But I would think she wouldn't be so far off from his.

I actually read that as well. But can an old script be used as a canon source? I don't have a problem with that. I think it's cool. But do you have an interview that says the same thing?

Well, if she was only a little bit older than him in 3500 BC, then that would mean that logically her age would have been in the range of a couple of centuries at the time of her true death. Which means that there is no way Bill could have so easily overpowered a 1000-year old vampire if he was jacked up on the blood a few centuries old vampire.

It's the only way to gauge the intent of writers. If they had deviated from Bill's newly acquired characteristics and powers, then we may have reason to question that script. As it stands, it's perfectly reasonable to use it as reference material. Of course, if you're worried that quanchi will use it in his battlezone against you(which is ongoing or over?) then don't, because he's convinced(due to his tendency to be fanboyish to the point of delusion for his "faves"😉 that Russell Edgington is the top supernatural in the series, so he doesn't care much for Lilith.

Edit: Just to clarify, by 8000 years old, I mean she was already that age at time of her true death. Which means that it's perfectly plausible that she was around when the first humans roamed the Earth, even from a real life chronological point of view.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Well, if she was only a little bit older than him in 3500 BC, then that would mean that logically her age would have been in the range of a couple of centuries at the time of her true death. Which means that there is no way Bill could have so easily overpowered a 1000-year old vampire if he was jacked up on the blood a few centuries old vampire.

Or they could be taking into account that her blood aged while she was dead, so it's still thousands of years old.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The Adam/Eve thing can be used as a metaphor for the fact that she predated humanity. After all, Biblical testaments often have allegorical references sometimes. Plus, as the Original Testament, the vampire bible may not even subscribe to the same facts as the man-made versions do. For all we know, Lilith may have been the product of the metamystical evolution of lesser demonic supernatural life-forms that roamed the Earth in ancient times. Maybe evolution is the answer to the contradictory nature of religion in the show, just as it is in real life. Which belongs to the realm of speculation.

Well, if she was only a little bit older than him in 3500 BC, then that would mean that logically her age would have been in the range of a couple of centuries at the time of her true death. Which means that there is no way Bill could have so easily overpowered a 1000-year old vampire if he was jacked up on the blood a few centuries old vampire.

It's the only way to gauge the intent of writers. If they had deviated from Bill's newly acquired characteristics and powers, then we may have reason to question that script. As it stands, it's perfectly reasonable to use it as reference material. Of course, if you're worried that quanchi will use it in his battlezone against you(which is ongoing or over?) then don't, because he's convinced(due to his tendency to be fanboyish to the point of delusion for his "faves"😉 that Russell Edgington is the top supernatural in the series, so he doesn't care much for Lilith.

Edit: Just to clarify, by 8000 years old, I mean she was already that age at time of her true death. Which means that it's perfectly plausible that she was around when the first humans roamed the Earth, even from a real life chronological point of view.

I agree. But still that alone means that there are things in the vampire bible that can't be true.

I was about to say what Mindset said. Maybe as the first vamp her powers started of on a whole other level or that he blood aged.

There is one thing I have to point out. It said Bill has powers EQUIVALENT to an 8000 year old vamp. Not that of one who is that age.

Doesn't that basically mean that she is indeed not 8000 or even higher?

I am not worried at all. No matter if she is 8000 or 10 000 or even higher it doesn't change anything. She still can't beat Silas to save her verse. And I am sure that I have the Battle in the bag.

Originally posted by Mindset
But she is the first vampire, her age may not be relative to her strength.

Or they could be taking into account that her blood aged while she was dead, so it's still thousands of years old.

I already took that particular point under consideration in one of my previous replies to Rikudo:

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Unless you subscribe to the belief that her blood kept increasing in power over the ages, that's the level she was at at the time of her true death.