WWH vs. Konvikt

Originally posted by Avlon
So you're back to playing your usual games already I see. Read the former posts.

This Konvikt vs. WW Hulk isnt about who can cause more collateral damage,but if it were WW Hulk wins that game as well. WW Hulk wins and feats would agree with me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What games? You have been purposely taking context out of that Superman scan with regards to the planet. Odg called you on it. Supes has never destroyed a planet on panel,so we dont know how many punches it would take. Glads has destroyed one on panel,so we do know how many it would take.

I'VE been taking things out of context? What proof did you bring? YOU'RE the one ignoring evidence and as usual trying to play your semantics game.

What can I say about someone who can't even keep his word that he was leaving KMC.. oh well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This Konvikt vs. WW Hulk isnt about who can cause more collateral damage,but if it were WW Hulk wins that game as well. WW Hulk wins and feats would agree with me.

It's never about what works against you when it comes to your vote. It's like you really believe that you twisting things isn't noticed.

Originally posted by Avlon
I'VE been taking things out of context? What proof did you bring? YOU'RE the one ignoring evidence and as usual trying to play your semantics game.

What can I say about someone who can't even keep his word that he was leaving KMC.. oh well.

It's never about what works against you when it comes to your vote. It's like you really believe that you twisting things isn't noticed.

Look,we disagree is all. Leave it go.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look,we disagree is all. Leave it go.

This I can work with. Agreed.

Originally posted by Avlon
This I can work with. Agreed.

Take a look at this link here. Its made by panthergod otherwise known as jellyrobes on herochat. He is a superman fanatic just like yourself.

Have a read. he seems pretty knowledgeable on Superman.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,182633.0.html

Tell me what you think of his original post.

As for Glads burning through Hulk with HV. Weaker Hulk plus didn't he have a weaker healing factor at that time? And I'm not just talking about compared to WWH who would have healed instantly if it did penetrate him when most everything else failed.

Healed instantly? Like he did from Zom/Strange's wound? Oops, except that he didn't.

And Quan, in the last two pages alone you've made ridiculous statements such as Hulk > Wonderman in "physical", Hulk > Superman, and Hulk > Konvikt. You haven't proven any of it, yet use it to support other arguments you make.

Unless you can (Which I know you cannot), it's pure speculation with no sound basis whatsoever.

Furthermore, based on powersets and on panel feats alone, a properly written, fully confident Gladiator > Hulk. The same Gladiator who casually destroys planets with a punch, who pushes entire planets out of their orbits with easy, who flies a hundred times the speed of light, who's heat vision is hotter than the core of stars, and who's taken a punch to the chest by Juggernaut without flinching and then casually tossing him across the Atlantic Ocean.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Healed instantly? Like he did from Zom/Strange's wound? Oops, except that he didn't.

And Quan, in the last two pages alone you've made ridiculous statements such as Hulk > Wonderman in "physical", Hulk > Superman, and Hulk > Konvikt. You haven't proven any of it, yet use it to support other arguments you make.

Unless you can (Which I know you cannot), it's pure speculation with no sound basis whatsoever.

Furthermore, based on powersets and on panel feats alone, a properly written, fully confident Gladiator > Hulk. The same Gladiator who casually destroys planets with a punch, who pushes entire planets out of their orbits with easy, who flies a hundred times the speed of light, who's heat vision is hotter than the core of stars, and who's taken a punch to the chest by Juggernaut without flinching and then casually tossing him across the Atlantic Ocean.

Yes,Glads can defeat the Hulk if we argue hypothetically and ignore what the comics give us. Im not saying Hulk beats Glads ten out of ten times,but that he can and has beaten the snot out of him.

In comics brawlers brawl. Comics wouldnt sell if Glads or Supes used his speed in every fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Comics wouldnt sell if [character X] used his speed in every fight.

Exactly. So please show a degree of this wisdom next time you choose to participate in such debates. You mention the WW fight yet it was full of PIS. Superman indulging in inane small talk after he'd frozen WW instead of ending the fight there and then when WW was in a compromised position, that is PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Supes ever beaten Hulk in a comic? Seriously,when? The reason Supes wouldnt lose in a crossover is because dc would never let it happen. This is plain to see.

I go by what we have in the comics.

Supes couldnt put down WW who is well beneath Hulk in terms of being physical. Both were out to kill their opponent and Glads clearly did more damage. You cant prove Supes' heatvision is hotter but I can prove Glads is much faster than Superman.

Supes has beat Hulk in the comics, why isn't that valid to you? Afterall these fight happened in Marvel/DC publications. The WW fight had a dose of PIS. Supes had frozen WW but didn't finish the fight instead he chose to throw a boulder, that's an example of PIS. You've agreed that comics wouldn't sell if characters like Supes always used their speed or engaged their opponents using their advantages e.g. like Hulk not being able to lay a finger on a speedblitzing, lobotomizing, freezebreath spamming Superman.

Originally posted by Avlon
Really? So despite the fact that you haven't read the book, nor have you anything outside of what a poster said, you are going with this because it suits your opinion... ok...

That was just a simple example. A planet is far bigger than a tiny portion of the east coast. A step shaking a decent land mass is impressive, no doubt. Destroying a planet below you with the shockwaves of your battle and not making physical contact is far more impressive though.

Even if we are just taking words for it...Superman was casually putting out the power to destroy planets while it took Hulks most powerful incarnation to do so. That's quite a difference there.

It didn't take Hulk's most powerful incarnation to destroy a planet. It took Hulk's most powerful incarnation to crack the east coast without trying. Sorta like when Superman became that hulking figure and couldn't control his power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Good,just because we disagree on the outcomes of most of these battles that doesnt mean we dont share the same passion for comics.

Take a look at this link here. Its made by panthergod otherwise known as jellyrobes on herochat. He is a superman fanatic just like yourself.

Have a read. he seems pretty knowledgeable on Superman.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,182633.0.html

Tell me what you think of his original post.

I'm aware of him. He's visited some of my respect threads before and commented on them.

While I don't always agree with him he does usually make some very strong points on things.

Originally posted by Avlon
I'm aware of him. He's visited some of my respect threads before and commented on them.

While I don't always agree with him he does usually make some very strong points on things.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Originally posted by quanchi112
Was this a good story in your opinion? Whatissues? I have a couple of years of Superman on my comp.

Wonder woman admitting that it would take superman minutes to cover 22000 miles which is well below the speed of light.

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18zj9.jpg

The speed of light can cover 22000 miles instantly.

Originally posted by Avlon
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg

Can't wait to hear the "nuh uh!!!" excuses and semantics around the one. 😄

I've seen Major Force hit harder than Hulk and Sentry in that arc.

Avlon, stop taking things out of context, you know why the planet was being destroyed, it didnt have anything to do with shock waves or strength.

Still WWHulk FTW. Better feats, Better showings. And the people he was fighting weren't acting under Operation: Retard like the JLA was against Konvikt.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder woman admitting that it would take superman minutes to cover 22000 miles which is well below the speed of light.

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18zj9.jpg

The speed of light can cover 22000 miles instantly.

Originally posted by Badabing
Carver, anybody who knows the slightest bit about Superman knows he has recently traveled FTL in space on several occasions. Anybody who has taken a passing glance at the respect threads knows this as well. We don't lowball, downplay or cherry pick scans and dialogue which go against showings. Superman goes FTL, period. Please take your own advice about context. Thanks.

Good to see you badabing. Long time no debate (even though I win 90% of the time).

When it involves dc characters why is everything thrown out the window as pis. If I put up a scan showing superman failing to catch some bullets that killed some soldiers and him admitting that he wasnt fast enough, is that pis also (even though light speed would have went around the earth 20 times and still had enough time to catch the bullets).