For the record, I'm picking Konvikt to win and even I don't think that Superman's heat vision would kill any version of Hulk. However, I do believe that Superman's HV is slightly superior to Gladiator's (I don't have scans if you want that backed up, perhaps someone else will be kind), and yet Gladiator's heat vision did one helluva number on Savage Hulk in the scan posted several pages back - causing him to bleed profusely.
Konvikt took Superman's full powered heat vision to the face and only yelled (one of those "AAAAGGGHHH!!" things), without taking a step backwards or anything.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Superman destroy a planet with his fists there?It takes two to tango. The collateral damage from this battle looks epic,but it isnt a scan of Superman destroying a planet with his fists.
The force from the shockwaves were destroying the earth under them.
Compared to physical contact with Hulks foot.
Don't turn a blind eye to what you don't like.
I saw the ridiculous excuses coming from a mile away.
Originally posted by quanchi112
DD clones were a pathetic example imo. Again Batman took some out,so they werent that impressive if impressive at all by any stretch of the word.
I've said that the DD clones were expendable to DC thus their poor treatment by the plot, no reason why beings genetically identical to DD should get cut open by a Battleaxe handled by a regular human.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Glads couldnt take out Hulk,while a bloodlusted Superman couldnt even take out WW,who was also holding back. So I think Glads still looks better through what you have shown me.
I beg to differ. Hulk stated he was going to get taken out by Glads HV if he didn't do something. Supes HV wasn't going to take out WW because of the plot, no reason why HV that exceeds a super nova's heat, can pierce through stars and has no upper limit shouldn't take out WW. Plus of course as I stated earlier theoretically WW's bracelets make her more capable of taking Supes HV than Rulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Lets see some scans here regarding Glads. Hotter than a star, no problem. On panel. Id like to see some Superman proof also. So,if Glads couldnt kill Hulk with heavision then neither can Superman. That was easy.
Glads was going to kill Hulk with his HV, Hulk was desperate to stop Glads before he could be taken out. It's in your scan. As far as Glad's HV being hotter than a star well it looks a bit contradictory given that scan, on top of that Supes HV has been shown to be able to penetrate through stars (there's a scan I believe in this thread) and has re-energize stars as well, these are feats no just here say followed by poor displays like your scan shows. Also it has been confirmed to be above the heat of a Supernova as it's upper limit could not be measured.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Here Glads is described as going one hundred times the speed of light. Yeah,he might be faster than Superman here.
So? Supes has plenty of multiple times the speed of light traveling feats. Glads speed wasn't a factor in the Hulk scan you posted, so this is quite irrelevant. Plus travel speed doesn't equal combat speed. And to be sure, it doesn't prove anything. Supes has speed blitzed guys on his level like Mongul, DD, Ultraman, The Elites et al Glads? He gets thrown against Hulk and Thor just to get his ass kicked. He doesn't have Superman's status or ability to beat guys above and around him. Kryptonians are shown to be superior, they wouldn't get beaten by the likes of Hulk for a majority.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Glads has also destroyed a planet on panel with his fists.
This is so irrelevant I don't even understand why you keep bringing it up. Supes has done enough crazy strength feats too, doesn't change the fact that Glads got his ass kicked by Hulk in that scan.
Supes has beaten Hulk before, why isn't that valid? It's in the comics after all. huh Quan? Canon or otherwise those encounters were published by Marvel/DC, just as your canon Rulk vs Thor fight was published. You keep talking about only using what's in the comic, why not reference those encounters? Not that I care, but follow your own philosophy is all I'm saying.
Please, let's argue character power sets. Glads has the same powerset but his power seems to be of a lower magnitude given how he constantly seems to be portrayed as inferior to one dimensional bricks like Hulk. You keep bringing the WW vs Max Lord Supes fight, but Supes is generally considered superior to WW (And it has been demonstrated) unlike Glads with Hulk.
Let's not forget that Superman can lobotomize his opponents, thanks to his TV and MV, essentially allowing him to penetrate Rulk's flesh and screw with his internal organs.
Originally posted by AvlonExcept there is more behind that scene than you say.
The force from the shockwaves were destroying the earth under them.
Compared to physical contact with Hulks foot.Don't turn a blind eye to what you don't like.
I saw the ridiculous excuses coming from a mile away.
Even if there wasn't you don't think somebody who can while holding back crack the Earth with a tiny effortless step couldn't replicate something two people not holding back could do when they can't destroy the same thing the same way so effortlessly?
As for Glads burning through Hulk with HV. Weaker Hulk plus didn't he have a weaker healing factor at that time? And I'm not just talking about compared to WWH who would have healed instantly if it did penetrate him when most everything else failed.
Originally posted by Kento
Except there is more behind that scene than you say.
Really? So despite the fact that you haven't read the book, nor have you anything outside of what a poster said, you are going with this because it suits your opinion... ok...
Originally posted by Kento
Even if there wasn't you don't think somebody who can while holding back crack the Earth with a tiny effortless step couldn't replicate something two people not holding back could do when they can't destroy the same thing the same way so effortlessly?
That was just a simple example. A planet is far bigger than a tiny portion of the east coast. A step shaking a decent land mass is impressive, no doubt. Destroying a planet below you with the shockwaves of your battle and not making physical contact is far more impressive though.
Even if we are just taking words for it...Superman was casually putting out the power to destroy planets while it took Hulks most powerful incarnation to do so. That's quite a difference there.
Originally posted by MindsetKeep in mind this Hulk was much weaker than WW Hulk.
Hulk wasn't just bleeding, it was burning through his chest.
Originally posted by AvlonHulk was leveling the eastern seaboard by walking. He wasnt out for the kill like Superman was. Again,Supes has never destroyed a planet with his fists and its only speculation to assume how many punches it would take him. Keep that in mind. Glads has destroyed a planet on panel so we know he can do it.
The force from the shockwaves were destroying the earth under them.
Compared to physical contact with Hulks foot.Don't turn a blind eye to what you don't like.
I saw the ridiculous excuses coming from a mile away.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Keep in mind this Hulk was much weaker than WW Hulk. Hulk was leveling the eastern seaboard by walking. He wasnt out for the kill like Superman was. Again,Supes has never destroyed a planet with his fists and its only speculation to assume how many punches it would take him. Keep that in mind. Glads has destroyed a planet on panel so we know he can do it.
If you're willing to accept one, you're accepting the other. The seaboard is a TINY portion of the eas coast.
Originally posted by AllanklesDD clones were taken out by Batman. Not impressive. No matter how you try to spin it. Heatvision hasnt taken anyone impressive out or anyone even close to WW Hulk's level. Hell,a much weaker Hulk was able to defeat heatvision which is just as hot from Glads.
I've said that the DD clones were expendable to DC thus their poor treatment by the plot, no reason why beings genetically identical to DD should get cut open by a Battleaxe handled by a regular human.I beg to differ. Hulk stated he was going to get taken out by Glads HV if he didn't do something. Supes HV wasn't going to take out WW because of the plot, no reason why HV that exceeds a super nova's heat, can pierce through stars and has no upper limit shouldn't take out WW. Plus of course as I stated earlier theoretically WW's bracelets make her more capable of taking Supes HV than Rulk.
Glads was going to kill Hulk with his HV, Hulk was desperate to stop Glads before he could be taken out. It's in your scan. As far as Glad's HV being hotter than a star well it looks a bit contradictory given that scan, on top of that Supes HV has been [B]shown
to be able to penetrate through stars (there's a scan I believe in this thread) and has re-energize stars as well, these are feats no just here say followed by poor displays like your scan shows. Also it has been confirmed to be above the heat of a Supernova as it's upper limit could not be measured.So? Supes has plenty of multiple times the speed of light traveling feats. Glads speed wasn't a factor in the Hulk scan you posted, so this is quite irrelevant. Plus travel speed doesn't equal combat speed. And to be sure, it doesn't prove anything. Supes has speed blitzed guys on his level like Mongul, DD, Ultraman, The Elites et al Glads? He gets thrown against Hulk and Thor just to get his ass kicked. He doesn't have Superman's status or ability to beat guys above and around him. Kryptonians are shown to be superior, they wouldn't get beaten by the likes of Hulk for a majority.
This is so irrelevant I don't even understand why you keep bringing it up. Supes has done enough crazy strength feats too, doesn't change the fact that Glads got his ass kicked by Hulk in that scan.
Supes has beaten Hulk before, why isn't that valid? It's in the comics after all. huh Quan? Canon or otherwise those encounters were published by Marvel/DC, just as your canon Rulk vs Thor fight was published. You keep talking about only using what's in the comic, why not reference those encounters? Not that I care, but follow your own philosophy is all I'm saying.
Please, let's argue character power sets. Glads has the same powerset but his power seems to be of a lower magnitude given how he constantly seems to be portrayed as inferior to one dimensional bricks like Hulk. You keep bringing the WW vs Max Lord Supes fight, but Supes is generally considered superior to WW (And it has been demonstrated) unlike Glads with Hulk.
Let's not forget that Superman can lobotomize his opponents, thanks to his TV and MV, essentially allowing him to penetrate Rulk's flesh and screw with his internal organs. [/B]
Yes. In comics if he would have just stood thtere he would have gotten taken out. If Hulk stood there and let Superman wail on him,hed go down as well. These guys fight back. Thats the point. Heatvision hasnt been proven to be able to take out a weaker Hulk let alone the strongest one to date.
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No,this is clearly desperation. Hulk didnt kill Glads and Glads didnt kill Hulk. Of course the characters will live,but Supes heatvision failed to do that much significant damage. She was still fine. She proved she cant physically trade blows with Superman,but she proved she could take heatvision all the while she was holding back. Supes also had a sunamp. His abilities were magnified and he still couldnt keep her down.
My scan shows that their heatvision is equal. Anything else is trolling by you because you cannot accept it.
I could post multiple Superman fights when he chose not to use his speed. How come we can only use dc characters fighting to their maximum levels and not marvel ones. Seriously,why? For the sake of th eplot he didnt fight at one hundred times the speed o flight. That was easy.
When has Supes ever gone over 100 times the speed of light? If you found anything youd have to go back precrisis which is irrelevant. He couldnt even keep up with Prime in infinite crisis at the speed of light.
Glads was fighting. He wasnt just flying around. Reread the scan.
Supes has also been beaten by guys lower than the Hulk. Konvikt rings a bell.
Yes,Hulk could whip Superman's ass as well. Konvikt just did an dhe needed help in order to defeat him. Konvikt took on the jla not just Superman. 😬
K-nians havent proven any superiority over Orion,Black Adam,etc.
Really the double standards here are ridiculous. Konvict defeated the JLA because they fought like idiots. Why is that admissible for konvict and not for WWH?
Superman said in a statement he was using planet shattering punches and so we should accept it hook line and sinker. Then this arguement of WWH strength should not even be going on cuz it has been said multiple times and even at the end of planet hulk that WWH could easily smash a planet. When did statements from characters become absolute proof? SS has said that he can build singularities in peoples eyelids but i doubt u will see that tactic being used in arguement.
Also superman and zod destroying the planet is being used totally out of context.
As for this fight WWH before mieks statement id say would lose 4/10 but would win 10/10 after it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No,this is clearly desperation. Hulk didnt kill Glads and Glads didnt kill Hulk. Of course the characters will live,but Supes heatvision failed to do that much significant damage. She was still fine.My scan shows that their heatvision is equal. Anything else is trolling by you because you cannot accept it.
I could post multiple Superman fights when he chose not to use his speed. How come we can only use dc characters fighting to their maximum levels and not marvel ones.
Again look at your remark. Sighting how Supes was sun amped and didn't beat WW. And then talking about how I'm not letting characters from Marvel fight at their maximum ability when I point out that Glads got his ass handed to him by Hulk (which would never happen to Supes btw as Supes has beaten Hulk already in the comics).
Which is it with you, do we go by comic displays? Or the character powersets and abilities? Because if we go with the former Superman is clearly superior to Glads. If we use your criteria for only comic book displays (even ignoring PIS where inevitable) then Superman hands Glads his ass 10/10 times i.e. Superman is superior, as he does better than Glads against characters around or above his level.
Now if we go by Character powersets we know they have similar powersets except that Supes HV has actually won him fights against powerful character like the Elites, Mongul et al whereas Glads can't get past regular Hulk.
If we go by power sets Superman has lobotomized his opponents and demonstrated the ability to perform ranged surgery on his opponents when the situation demands it, whereas Glads has not.
Further using WW vs Max Lord Supes as an example doesn't do you much good, because Supes>>WW, it's been proven in the comics themselves. So please! Glads is - according to Marvel - inferior to Hulk, not so with Superman as he's beaten Hulk in the comics.
Originally posted by ultimatethorI know it is. 😂
Really the double standards here are ridiculous. Konvict defeated the JLA because they fought like idiots. Why is that admissible for konvict and not for WWH?Superman said in a statement he was using planet shattering punches and so we should accept it hook line and sinker. Then this arguement of WWH strength should not even be going on cuz it has been said multiple times and even at the end of planet hulk that WWH could easily smash a planet. When did statements from characters become absolute proof? SS has said that he can build singularities in peoples eyelids but i doubt u will see that tactic being used in arguement.
Also superman and zod destroying the planet is being used totally out of context.
As for this fight WWH before mieks statement id say would lose 4/10 but would win 10/10 after it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Batman ripped into the gut of one of those DD clones with a battle-axe. Please. The fact that he was completely winded by using a wide heat vision blast to kill them all doesn't speak very well of it's power.
Both Superman and Zod were metaphysically tied to the that world. When they injured each other, they injured the world. Same idea as when you hurt Captain Britain and England starts getting destroyed. Superman should be able to break a planet apart with punches. He's just never done so. I believe him when he says his punches could shatter small planets. However, I think some folks are jumping far ahead and assuming that each one of his punches could completely shatter a small planet. That is speculation. And without on-panel backup, it's baseless speculation.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhen has Supes ever beaten Hulk in a canon comic? Seriously,when? The reason Supes wouldnt lose in a crossover is because dc would never let it happen. This is plain to see.
Again look at your remark. Sighting how Supes was sun amped and didn't beat WW. And then talking about how I'm not letting characters from Marvel fight at their maximum ability when I point out that Glads got his ass handed to him by Hulk (which would never happen to Supes btw as Supes has beaten Hulk already in the comics).Which is it with you, do we go by comic displays? Or the character powersets and abilities? Because if we go with the former Superman is clearly superior to Glads. If we use your criteria for only comic book displays (even ignoring PIS where inevitable) then Superman hands Glads his ass 10/10 times i.e. Superman is superior, as he does better than Glads against characters around or above his level.
Now if we go by Character powersets we know they have similar powersets except that Supes HV has actually won him fights against powerful character like the Elites, Mongul et al whereas Glads can't get past regular Hulk.
If we go by power sets Superman has lobotomized his opponents and demonstrated the ability to perform ranged surgery on his opponents when the situation demands it, whereas Glads has not.
Further using WW vs Max Lord Supes as an example doesn't do you much good, because Supes>>WW, it's been proven in the comics themselves. So please! Glads is - according to Marvel - inferior to Hulk, not so with Superman as he's beaten Hulk in the comics.
I go by what we have in the comics. usually,Supes is holding back and isnt out for the kill,but here in this story he was. So,its usable. We see how Superman reacts to a character he is out to kill. Thats that. Quit trying to disregard it.
Which characters has Superman done better against? Name them?
Supes couldnt put down WW who is well beneath Hulk in terms of being physical. Both were out to kill their opponent and Glads clearly did more damage. You cant prove Supes' heatvision is hotter but I can prove Glads is much faster than Superman.
Again,Supes beat Hulk when the fans voted on it. In the same stroy Storm beat WW.
😂 None of its canon brah.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
When did statements from characters become absolute proof? SS has said that he can build singularities in peoples eyelids but i doubt u will see that tactic being used in arguement.
Heh.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the silver surfer is more powerful than you realize.he stated that it would be easy for him to "open a singularity in their eye". meaning he can collapse matter violently on itself with enough force to simulate a point singularity, and with enough control to do so IN HIS OPPONENT'S EYE.
whats to stop him from doing so?
and that's just one option afforded to him by the power cosmic. it gives him command over the fundamental forces of the universe.....weak force manip anyone?