Gambit vs Lady Shiva

i have lost the energy for this,but i'll post once more.

gambit isn't peak human because i want him to be.he's peak human because that's just what his stats say.those number ratings you said are fan voted,meaning they're irrelevant.so yeah forget about it.every bio-site i've seen has put gambit at peak human when charged.you guys coming at me for it doesn't change anything.and some comic showings that seem to say the opposite don't change anything either

what do you mean everything you guys have brought up? the only thing i'm arguing against is the fact that you guys say he has superhuman speed,which is false.nothing else

and as for the comic crack.i've been to the respect thread.i've been to pretty much every respect thread,way before i posted here. no feat of speed or agility shown there is out of shiva's league,period.some(like the scene with blade), are a little shaky to me.seeing as blade has superhuman speed and gambit doesn't,but everyone has those showings.

i never claimed to be being persecuted. honestly,i don't care either way.

Originally posted by namorsubby
"Gambit's body, as a living generator of bio-kinetic energies, possesses physiological attributes adapted for constant motion. As a result, his mutation has increased his body's INNATE physical qualities ( such as speed, reflexes/reactions, stamina, agility, flexibility, dexterity, coordination, balance, and endurance) to the very limit of natural human capability."

in other words,GAMBIT IS PEAK HUMAN WHEN CHARGED.booyah [/B]

It doesn't say anything about having to charge to boost his speed anywhere in that paragraph. On the contrary, it mentions his speed is innate, as in, you know.... born with it. Mutation just boosted it to what it is now.

Gambit ftw.

😆.you guys use the stats when it's convient to you.

i could post like 5 more sites who say he has to charge for peak human status,but seeing as posting those ones didn't do much for my argument,i think i'll just pass.

shiva wins because she's just as fast,far more skilled,and ruthless.close-quarters,she'd kill him before he could do much of anything.not so close quarters,gambit has a chance,but she'll most likely just evade him,maybe get him worked up till he slips up,and then do what she does best,assasinate.she is said to be dc's best assasin you know.you don't just get that title for no reason.

It doesn't matter if she's DC's best assassin. Titles usually mean very little in VS. matches. She's outclassed in speed, range, and energy projection.

and how do you know she's outclassed in speed? i doubt you've even read a shiva bio. she's peak human,gambit is only peak human when charged.

of course he outclasses her and range and energy projection(range is debatable depending on her weapon set).did that really need to be said?🙄

They are equal in range
Shiva having the edge in accuracy with a projectile weapon.

A Shuriken necklace will slow down a Kinetic Amped Gambit long enough for Shiva to punch him in the Brain.

Gambit wins again.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Gambit wins again.

you're thinking about blackjack Metalman

...Schwa?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Schwa?

Gambit wins

Shiva do well for against humans, but still die to Gambit 8/10

Shiva is toast, hell if she had some throwing stars that would help.

Originally posted by namorsubby
i have lost the energy for this,but i'll post once more.

gambit isn't peak human because i want him to be.he's peak human because that's just what his stats say.those number ratings you said are fan voted,meaning they're irrelevant.so yeah forget about it.every bio-site i've seen has put gambit at peak human when charged.you guys coming at me for it doesn't change anything.and [b]some comic showings that seem to say the opposite don't change anything either

[/B]

In Gambit's solo title Bullseye pwns Gambit in h2h with ease, and Remy resorts to bribing Deadpool to spare his life after Wade engages him to fulfill a contract.

Shiva 9/10

Originally posted by namorsubby
gambit isn't peak human because i want him to be.he's peak human because that's just what his stats say.those number ratings you said are fan voted,meaning they're irrelevant.so yeah forget about it.every bio-site i've seen has put gambit at peak human when charged.you guys coming at me for it doesn't change anything.and [b]some comic showings that seem to say the opposite don't change anything either

what do you mean everything you guys have brought up? the only thing i'm arguing against is the fact that you guys say he has superhuman speed,which is false.nothing else

and as for the comic crack.i've been to the respect thread.i've been to pretty much every respect thread,way before i posted here. no feat of speed or agility shown there is out of shiva's league,period.some(like the scene with blade), are a little shaky to me.seeing as blade has superhuman speed and gambit doesn't,but everyone has those showings.

i never claimed to be being persecuted. honestly,i don't care either way. [/B]

You likened Gambit's superhuman feats to "Batgod". That is why I said everything we brought up is well within Gambit's abilities. "Batgod's" feats are so outlandish that he is virtually treated as a separate character from Batman.

I made the "comic crack" in response to your "wikipedia crack".

You did insinuate persecution there, or you wouldn't have added that little bit about going against the status quo. Either way, this is irrelevant now and I'll leave it be if you will.

Originally posted by namorsubby
and how do you know she's outclassed in speed? i doubt you've even read a shiva bio. she's peak human,gambit is only peak human when charged.

of course he outclasses her and range and energy projection(range is debatable depending on her weapon set).did that really need to be said?🙄

Originally posted by namorsubby
😆.you guys use the stats when it's convient to you.

i could post like 5 more sites who say he has to charge for peak human status,but seeing as posting [b]those ones didn't do much for my argument,i think i'll just pass.

shiva wins because she's just as fast,far more skilled,and ruthless.close-quarters,she'd kill him before he could do much of anything.not so close quarters,gambit has a chance,but she'll most likely just evade him,maybe get him worked up till he slips up,and then do what she does best,assasinate.she is said to be dc's best assasin you know.you don't just get that title for no reason. [/B]

....so again you realize how futile it is to use bios exclusively as "they didn't do much for your argument."

Based on what? Bios? I already showed you that bios show Gambit would kill her without significant effort.

Comrade, our problem isn't the stance you take. It's how you arrived at that conclusion. Comics should be the primary source for debating comic characters.

Originally posted by shiv
In Gambit's solo title Bullseye pwns Gambit in h2h with ease, and Remy resorts to bribing Deadpool to spare his life after Wade engages him to fulfill a contract.

Shiva 9/10

Please people, read the comics before you post stuff like this. If you did read it, post any extenuating circumstances along with the event. If you don't, it becomes misleading like shiv's post.

Now if you honestly believe Bullseye can beat New Sun Gambit, we need to talk.

uh uh YOU are incorrect.

If Anything Gambits powers were GROWING. this is different from Spiderman who when he has trouble with his powers it usually means his powers are fading.

With Gambit the oppositte was happenning.
His energy projection was steadily increasing and so were his physical stats. In fact for someone who you imply was not 100% The Assassins and Thieves Guilds were shadowing his every move and They decided That of all the Available people at the Time Remy was in the Best Condition to lead them through a Restructuring Period.

Even when Batroc attacks Gambit he and Zaran or whatever comment that They have never seen Remy fight like That.

But when 2 H2H experts engaged Remy in close quaters combat Deadpool and Bullseye -with weapons Remy was outclassed.
Bullseye is an expert marksman and he anticipated Remy's offense with precision and with the same precision worked Gambit into a pposition where he could not evade his knives.

The body reading makes it too much of an Advantage for Shiva.

Originally posted by shiv
uh uh YOU are incorrect.

If Anything Gambits powers were GROWING. this is different from Spiderman who when he has trouble with his powers it usually means his powers are fading.

With Gambit the oppositte was happenning.
His energy projection was steadily increasing and so were his physical stats. In fact for someone who you imply was not 100% The Assassins and Thieves Guilds were shadowing his every move and They decided That of all the Available people at the Time Remy was in the Best Condition to lead them through a Restructuring Period.

Even when Batroc attacks Gambit he and Zaran or whatever comment that They have never seen Remy fight like That.

But when 2 H2H experts engaged Remy in close quaters combat Deadpool and Bullseye -with weapons Remy was out of outclassed.

The body reading makes it too much of an Advantage for Shiva.

I couldn't find it in the respect thread for deal and Bulleyes, if possible you can bring up a scan to see the actual event of the fight and action included

Just throwing out some note here. I just picked up Hush recently, and I think it's impressive that Lady Shiva absolutely tooled the living hell out of Catwoman. Not as in Catwoman got in one blow and proceeded to get beaten down. Shiva own her, and- without visibly using any of her special killing techniques- beat Selina to the point that she was in danger of death.

Just adds more to the uber badassery of Lady Shiva.

not really Shiva was just throwing her around to get at Wayne.

No, Shiva beat her to near-death, while Catwoman was fully trying to beat her.

And this isn't some weakling we're talking about; it's Selina Kyle, who is an extremely proficient martial artist.

jeez you'd think this was new son gambit or death gambit versus shiva the way you guys view this match(most of you anyway).gambit's really not all that impressive.he's the definition of low-level meta.scarely above your average street level peak human.and shiva's definitely not your average street level peak human.

oh,and i forgot about shiva's throwing weapons.that puts the odds even more in her favor.