Kind of. I wanted him to be like maul kind of, not like the angry Brittany spears fanboy.
ANAKINS A HUMAN!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWSjUe0FyxQ
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
RotS is perhaps the movie most packed with humane and powerful emotions
well without good direction and poor acting that doesnt really work
ROTS failed miserably in the 3 most important areas-
acting
dialogue
direction
and it proved once and for all that Ahmed Best wasnt the only bad thing in the PT
emotional??
who we caring about?
Anakin?
Jet Lucas?
Padme?
i was more concerned for R4 and the dragon creature that copped it to be honest
its a given that despite the odd painful moment the acting,dialogue and direction in the OT is far superior to the PT
and i think Warwick Davies gave a better performamce than Hayden C
even under a teddy bear suit
Originally posted by vintageSW77
well without good direction and poor acting that doesnt really work
ROTS failed miserably in the 3 most important areas-
acting
dialogue
direction
and it proved once and for all that Ahmed Best wasnt the only bad thing in the PTemotional??
who we caring about?
Anakin?
Jet Lucas?
Padme?
i was more concerned for R4 and the dragon creature that copped it to be honestits a given that despite the odd painful moment the acting,dialogue and direction in the OT is far superior to the PT
and i think Warwick Davies gave a better performamce than Hayden Ceven under a teddy bear suit
I liked the Direction of ROTS...I thought the shots looked and flowed very well. I think some of the poor acting is due to some difficult or unnatural script lines though. What looks good on paper may not sound good spoken. Of course I haven't seen Hayden in any other movie...is he always like that?
Originally posted by vintageSW77
well without good direction and poor acting that doesnt really work
ROTS failed miserably in the 3 most important areas-
acting
dialogue
direction
and it proved once and for all that Ahmed Best wasnt the only bad thing in the PTemotional??
who we caring about?
Anakin?
Jet Lucas?
Padme?
i was more concerned for R4 and the dragon creature that copped it to be honestits a given that despite the odd painful moment the acting,dialogue and direction in the OT is far superior to the PT
and i think Warwick Davies gave a better performamce than Hayden Ceven under a teddy bear suit
O-kay. You have to understand, the story and tragedy of RotS is not just the tragedy of Anakin; it's the tragedy of all the people surrounding him, including the very likeable Obi-Wan and Yoda. What are you going to say now? Ewan McGregor sucked and CG Yoda looks stupid? Even Portman and Christensen weren't -that- bad in RotS. Ewan McGregor and Frank Oz with both great, and Ian McDiarmid was brilliant.
Honestly, I don't get what you're problem with the direction. It was quite brilliant, actually; the first 20 minutes are hailed by not only myself, but by the majority of critics as a superb action sequence.
Stop nitpicking with the dialogue. Some may sound lame, but outside the love scenes, it works fine; it feels sharper and tighter than most SW lines.
Let me guess, you also hate the duels, right?
Originally posted by Master CrimzonYou must understand that sad music and a wanker crying doesn't make an actual deep and emotional movie.
O-kay. You have to understand, the story and tragedy of RotS is not just the tragedy of Anakin; it's the tragedy of all the people surrounding him, including the very likeable Obi-Wan and Yoda. What are you going to say now? Ewan McGregor sucked and CG Yoda looks stupid? Even Portman and Christensen weren't -that- bad in RotS. Ewan McGregor and Frank Oz with both great, and Ian McDiarmid was brilliant.Honestly, I don't get what you're problem with the direction. It was quite brilliant, actually; the first 20 minutes are hailed by not only myself, but by the majority of critics as a superb action sequence.
Stop nitpicking with the dialogue. Some may sound lame, but outside the love scenes, it works fine; it feels sharper and tighter than most SW lines.
Let me guess, you also hate the duels, right?
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's not bad. It's certainly my favourite of the PT. But it is not "perhaps the movie most packed with humane and powerful emotions." ... not even of the Star Wars movies.
Oh, certainly not of all movies. But in the realm of Star Wars, it's top tier, honestly. Do you have a movie with more humane and powerful emotions in Star Wars? When you answer, explain why, please.
Originally posted by Master CrimzonESB...
Oh, certainly not of all movies. But in the realm of Star Wars, it's top tier, honestly. Do you have a movie with more humane and powerful emotions in Star Wars? When you answer, explain why, please.
Ends on an extremely dramatic note and it happens to people you actually like a lot. One is frozen and brought to a crime boss after the girl admits her love for him. Another deals with the revelation that he is the son of ultimate evil as he views it on top of having to deal with his own dark emotions and the fear of falling (which he then literally does, but that's beside the point)...and then gets his hand cut of by his father. And that's just the ending.
I'd also say ANH, but I figure ESB should be enough.
Originally posted by Bardock42
ESB...Ends on an extremely dramatic note and it happens to people you actually like a lot. One is frozen and brought to a crime boss after the girl admits her love for him. Another deals with the revelation that he is the son of ultimate evil as he views it on top of having to deal with his own dark emotions and the fear of falling (which he then literally does, but that's beside the point)...and then gets his hand cut of by his father. And that's just the ending.
I'd also say ANH, but I figure ESB should be enough.
Ending of RotS:
The main character of the series is graphically burned in front of the audience, after he screams his undying hatred for Obi-Wan, one of the more popular characters of the entire franchise, who departs in tears. Said hero's wife dies tragically, and Yoda is forced to cope with his own failure and the devastation of the Jedi Order. Likeable characters die on screen, as the previously loyal clone troopers turn on their masters, shooting them. Evil triumphs.
Yeah, I think that's better than ESB. But that's just me. Your opinion is certainly the more popular one, in any case.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
what about the stuff on the big ship at the start of the flick
that was so badly edited it made the first 20 mins of TPM look oscar worthy
The first really long shot in ROTS was absolutely amazing in my opinion. It looks even better in 720p, the detail of the stuff happening is great. The background is loaded with all sorts of conflicts and the ships flying around look so great. Plus the explosions...I just love it all.
Now i want to watch it again.
Originally posted by Master CrimzonYeah, I didn't think there was that much human emotion in there at all. Didn't draw me in. Except for Obi Wan's "You were my brother Anakin, etc" ... that was quite powerful. Rest was, meh...
Ending of RotS:The main character of the series is graphically burned in front of the audience, after he screams his undying hatred for Obi-Wan, one of the more popular characters of the entire franchise, who departs in tears. Said hero's wife dies tragically, and Yoda is forced to cope with his own failure and the devastation of the Jedi Order. Likeable characters die on screen, as the previously loyal clone troopers turn on their masters, shooting them. Evil triumphs.
Yeah, I think that's better than ESB. But that's just me. Your opinion is certainly the more popular one, in any case.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I didn't think there was that much human emotion in there at all. Didn't draw me in. Except for Obi Wan's "You were my brother Anakin, etc" ... that was quite powerful. Rest was, meh...
Hey, I'm not going to convince you otherwise, so we can just let this discussion die. Lol.
This is a good discussion that I just happened across, and couldn't resist jumping in with my own opinion.
As a long time Star Wars fan I was profoundly disappointed by the PT. I can respect those trying to defend those movies, but ultimately they just don't hold up when seriously critiqued.
I won't hyperanalyze the details, but suffice it to say George Lucas placed undue priority on CGI and special effects at the expense of storyline and character development. There were plenty of excellent actors in the PT, such as Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Ian McDiarmid, even the oft-maligned Hayden Christiansen did quite well in his non-SW work. But they were hampered by downright dreadful scripting and direction. Their considerable talent was largely wasted.
The core story arc of the trilogy, Anakin's fall to the dark side, was just not carried out in a compelling manner. The final epic duel between him and Obi-Wan felt empty and forced. I always imagined Vader's path to the dark side driven by his ambition and superior mastery of the force, but this passion is totally missing in the PT.
There are definitely moments. Almost all the lightsaber battles are excellent and ROTS is clearly the standout with the betrayal of the Jedi in particular being very well done. However as a whole, and especially in the shadow of the OT, the movies fail. Utterly.
I'll grant that it's not easy to make epic space opera films, especially ones that could live up to the achievements of the OT. But Lucas had the resources and talent available to do it, he just lost sight of the vision. So instead of great we got mediocre. I still feel that I don't know the real story of Anakin Skywalker and the Clone Wars because the PT was just so underwhelming. It's a shame, really.
Maybe Lucas was just figuring out how to do SW in the 70s, and a lot of people pitched in. The special effects guys, the actors for sure, even the cinematographer chose his own path. It seems a lot people added their individual talents to make their bit work and out came SW, guided by the vision of Lucas.
To me it seems the PT was made in a totally new era. Lucas still had his vision except now he knew exactly how to make it, and with what tools. Maybe some of the freedom in making the OT work was lost, because of a rigid production schedule and a rigid style of directing. Lucas changed from Luke to Palpy in the odd 25 years that seperate the two trilogies.
Originally posted by queeq
Maybe Lucas was just figuring out how to do SW in the 70s, and a lot of people pitched in. The special effects guys, the actors for sure, even the cinematographer chose his own path. It seems a lot people added their individual talents to make their bit work and out came SW, guided by the vision of Lucas.
To me it seems the PT was made in a totally new era. Lucas still had his vision except now he knew exactly how to make it, and with what tools. Maybe some of the freedom in making the OT work was lost, because of a rigid production schedule and a rigid style of directing. Lucas changed from Luke to Palpy in the odd 25 years that seperate the two trilogies.
I think if the OT was released today (and ended up similar to the OT we know) it wouldn't have done as well becuase today people have higher expectations for movies. Cinema evolves and changes, it doesn't necessarily make it any better than before, but that is entirely up to your own opinion.