Trinity Superman vs. Red Hulk

Superman's more exotic attacks like heat vision may have no effect on a guy that's so hot that he crystalized sand beneath his feat... in fact heat vision may make him more powerful.

Mjolnir conected with the front of Rulks head, and the side of his head, which left Rulk smiling. In Thor's hands the possiblity that Mjolnir can hit harder than Superman while being swung with two hands seems more than logical, and Rulk took this with a smile... he even caught the hammer one handed, before taking the fight to Thor.

Rulk unloaded on Thor as well sending him flying at incredible speeds. Superman would have his hands full will Rulk to say the least, not to mention that Rulk seems to be quite the battle tactician himself, I don't see what Superman's new disposition brings to the table when next week he will be back to his regular boyscoutish persona. Rulk however is a killer.

Originally posted by Allankles
Rulk is too strong! And what is Superman, chopped liver?! Rulk is just another high level brick. He may be a little stronger than WWH and more durable but that doesn't put him on some different level.

If we're talking feats he hasn't actually done anything that puts him above getting his ass handed to him by the much faster and more powerful Superman.

Thor is also more powerful but he just brawled with Rulk, Trinity Superman would do a hell of a lot more than just brawl. Thor lands a couple of strikes on Rulk and - as per usual with his character - he starts wondering why his foe isn't down.

Superman is a scientist unlike Thor, he analyzes his opponents (down to their personalities) before breaking them down systematically. Rulk goes down.

Supes couldnt take Thor's hammer shots to the head like it wasnt anything.

We havent even seen Rulk lose yet. Rulk for the win.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Superman's more exotic attacks like heat vision may have no effect on a guy that's so hot that he crystalized sand beneath his feat... in fact heat vision may make him more powerful.

Mjolnir conected with the front of Rulks head, and the side of his head, which left Rulk smiling. In Thor's hands the possiblity that Mjolnir can hit harder than Superman while being swung with two hands seems more than logical, and Rulk took this with a smile... he even caught the hammer one handed, before taking the fight to Thor.

Crystalizing sand? Are you serious? Superman's heat vision is well in excess of a star in heat energy and has no stated upper limit as of yet. He also has telescopic vision and microscopic vision which give his HV the capacity to expand over an area as large as a planet or be precise to the region of pico, femto, atto metres or less, basically allowing him to perform surgery on bricks like Rulk, if he was so inclined. And I believe a guy like Rulk would force him to consider lobotomy or some similar last resort measure.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk would also wrekc Supes imo.

Supes couldnt take Thor's hammer shots to the head like it wasnt anything.

We havent even seen Rulk lose yet. Rulk for the win.

If Supes was in a WWH comic maybe, however if it were a major universe event WWH would ultimately get his ass kicked. I always put it this way, if a decent writer who knows the abilities of these two characters wrote the fight, Superman should win. Why settle for the lowest common denominator (simple brawling) when Supes has all other advantages, speed, HV, freeze breath, intelligence, skill and experience.

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Originally posted by Allankles
If Supes was in a WWH comic maybe, however if it were a major universe event WWH would ultimately get his ass kicked. I always put it this way, if a decent writer who knows the abilities of these two characters wrote the fight, Superman should win. Why settle for the lowest common denominator (simple brawling) when Supes has all other advantages, speed, HV, freeze breath, intelligence, skill and experience.

Originally posted by Allankles
If Supes was in a WWH comic maybe, however if it were a major universe event WWH would ultimately get his ass kicked. I always put it this way, if a decent writer who knows the abilities of these two characters wrote the fight, Superman should win. Why settle for the lowest common denominator (simple brawling) when Supes has all other advantages, speed, HV, freeze breath, intelligence, skill and experience.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one is writing this fight. But for you to give Superman the win over a character that hasnt been beaten on panel seems kinda biased imo.

If batman or spiderman had never been beaten on panel, off panel, IRL, or anywhere else, I would still never, ever, ever give them a win over supes. Ever. It just shouldn't happen, period. At least not logically, which is how you are supposed to debate on this board. Now I don't know much about rulk, except what I have read about him in here, even with that knowledge though, I don't see a way for rulk to ever touch supes, let alone hit him. Supes is orders of magnitude faster, so even at supes very worst, he could stalemate rulk easily by playing keep away...

People VASTLY underestimate speedsters. The fact that this is Trinity supes makes little difference, as on this board we always assume a character fights to their fullest potential unless the OP states the fight is to take place in character. Supes clearly outclasses rulk in powersets. The ONLY thing rulk has an advantage in is possibly strength. As of yet he hasn't even shown that he has that advantage, but I am willing to concede the strength argument. I see no reason why Superman can't beat a brick he has completely outclassed in so many different aspects.

Originally posted by snyper1982
If batman or spiderman had never been beaten on panel, off panel, IRL, or anywhere else, I would still never, ever, ever give them a win over supes. Ever. It just shouldn't happen, period. At least not logically, which is how you are supposed to debate on this board. Now I don't know much about rulk, except what I have read about him in here, even with that knowledge though, I don't see a way for rulk to ever touch supes, let alone hit him. Supes is orders of magnitude faster, so even at supes very worst, he could stalemate rulk easily by playing keep away...

People VASTLY underestimate speedsters. The fact that this is Trinity supes makes little difference, as on this board we always assume a character fights to their fullest potential unless the OP states the fight is to take place in character. Supes clearly outclasses rulk in powersets. The ONLY thing rulk has an advantage in is possibly strength. As of yet he hasn't even shown that he has that advantage, but I am willing to concede the strength argument. I see no reason why Superman can't beat a brick he has completely outclassed in so many different aspects.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Batman or Spiderman had beaten down a a Watcher and Thor youd have a point. 😐

I do have a point, just because someone hasn't lost doesn't mean they can beat someone who completely outclasses them in multiple aspects. You make it sound as if superman would be like a slow tuesday for rulk, and I am saying if superman so wishes, rulk would never have a chance to touch him, so how does rulk win? Withstanding a blow from mjolnir is impressive, but standing up to the thousands upon thousands of near FTL punches with class 100 strength behind them, that supes is capable of dishing out is another matter entirely. Punching Uatu seems to be a big case pf PIS and a nice helping of SvFL thrown in for good measure.

If you want to talk about them fighting in character or with PIS or CIS on, that is another story, but straight powerset vs powerset results in rulk getting curbstomped.

Originally posted by snyper1982
I do have a point, just because someone hasn't lost doesn't mean they can beat someone who completely outclasses them in multiple aspects. You make it sound as if superman would be like a slow tuesday for rulk, and I am saying if superman so wishes, rulk would never have a chance to touch him, so how does rulk win? Withstanding a blow from mjolnir is impressive, but standing up to the thousands upon thousands of near FTL punches with class 100 strength behind them, that supes is capable of dishing out is another matter entirely. Punching Uatu seems to be a big case pf PIS and a nice helping of SvFL thrown in for good measure.

If you want to talk about them fighting in character or with PIS or CIS on, that is another story, but straight powerset vs powerset results in rulk getting curbstomped.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk has beaten more powerful characters than Supes is the point. he beat them easily. I guess we just disagree.

More powerful characters like who? Punching Uatu who was written as nothing but an overized punching bag? A brawling Thor, who landed a couple of strikes and stopped? I don't think you get it at all. If Superman so wishes it, he could focus his HV to pierce Rulk's flesh and perform specialized surgery on him.

Move fast enough to avoid all of Rulk's punches, hell he could just keep his distance and just screw up Rulk's internal organs in flight.

He's fought more dangerous guys and more versatile foes like Subjekt-17 (different story but still), and he toyed with the much faster Ultraman and Superwoman. A good writer wouldn't have Rulk winning, he's just an overrated brawler.

Rulk would get mangled something fierce by this version of Superman. He has too much skill, too much speed, intelligence and he knows how to screw with people like Rulk psychologically as well as physically.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk has beaten more powerful characters than Supes is the point. he beat them easily. I guess we just disagree.

Who has he beat that it isn't clearly a case of CIS or PIS or SvFL?

I will freely admit I am a bit of a superman fanboy, but I have no problem admitting when he will lose. Like to the surfer or thanos for instance. I just don't see what the rulk posses in his powerset that is making all these people believe he would wipe the floor with superman.

Like I stated in my first post, at the very worst, superman could make this a stalemate rather easily by just playing keep away. What can the rulk possibly do to hit clark if he is intent on not lettning the rulk hit him?

I will agree to disagree though, as I am not trying to change your mind or make you like superman, I am just trying to get you to look at this from a logical standpoint.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Batman or Spiderman had beaten down a a Watcher and Thor youd have a point. 😐

What?! How does Uatu getting himself punched by brick prove anything except that Loeb was high when he came up with this plot, or maybe he's just that stupid. Rulk has no place fighting Uatu, the fact that Uatu didn't dismiss him like an insect is an insult to the founding concept of the watchers. They're supposed to be above brawling with one dimensional bricks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one is writing this fight. But for you to give Superman the win over a character that hasnt been beaten on panel seems kinda biased imo.

A character not getting beaten doesn't mean anything. All it means is that he hasn't yet faced suitable resistance to allow for a loss. Galactus has been beaten does that mean WWH prevails over him? A different kind of example but it just serves to show losing or winning is not a factor in judging a character's actual abilities. If you matched Superman in a full out fight with a Celstial Superman LOSES it's that simple, but in this case Superman has the advantages over WWH.

Originally posted by Allankles
A character not getting beaten doesn't mean anything. All it means is that he hasn't yet faced suitable resistance to allow for a loss. Galactus has been beaten does that mean WWH prevails over him? A different kind of example but it just serves to show losing or winning is not a factor in judging a character's actual abilities. If you matched Superman in a full out fight with a Celstial Superman LOSES it's that simple, but in this case Superman has the advantages over WWH.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Rulk curbstomped Odinforce Thor. And yes. It was a curbstomp. I mean... what does it take for a guy to get some respect around here?

Fo me it'll take a greater degree of justification. How could you write such a piss poor fight and expect people to give Rulk props? If anything Thor was just down played. Taking nothign away form Rulk's durability which shows he is a rung or two above WWH in that department.

Thor didn't have a plan B, he didn't look like a guy who has been in the wars with all manner of foes, he looked like a rookie. Trinity Superman is no rookie, he says it himself, he had way too much skill for Ultraman and Superwoman and it's precisely because he knows how take people out (long experience does that), knows how they'll react before they do.

He'd analyze Rulk in the same fashion and break him down.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Rulk curbstomped Odinforce Thor. And yes. It was a curbstomp. I mean... what does it take for a guy to get some respect around here?

Some non SvFL feats maybe?

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk would also wrekc Supes imo.

Supes couldnt take Thor's hammer shots to the head like it wasnt anything.

We havent even seen Rulk lose yet. Rulk for the win.

You are right. He would be able to dodge them.

We haven't seen Rulk lose? I GUESS THAT MEANS HE CAN'T! dur