Originally posted by AllanklesSo,you ignore the beatdown that Thor received?
What?! How does Uatu getting himself punched by brick prove anything except that Loeb was high when he came up with this plot, or maybe he's just that stupid. Rulk has no place fighting Uatu, the fact that Uatu didn't dismiss him like an insect is an insult to the founding concept of the watchers. They're supposed to be above brawling with one dimensional bricks.
Originally posted by AllanklesAre you serious? Heat vision.
More powerful characters like who? Punching Uatu who was written as nothing but an overized punching bag? A brawling Thor, who landed a couple of strikes and stopped? I don't think you get it at all. If Superman so wishes it, he could focus his HV to pierce Rulk's flesh and perform specialized surgery on him.Move fast enough to avoid all of Rulk's punches, hell he could just keep his distance and just screw up Rulk's internal organs in flight.
He's fought more dangerous guys and more versatile foes like Subjekt-17 (different story but still), and he toyed with the much faster Ultraman and Superwoman. A good writer wouldn't have Rulk winning, he's just an overrated brawler.
Rulk would get mangled something fierce by this version of Superman. He has too much skill, too much speed, intelligence and he knows how to screw with people like Rulk psychologically as well as physically.
Lets see how heat vision fared against the Hulk.
Really,I dont see what you are basing your opinion off of. It seems you ignore the Rulk who beats the piss out of everyone basically thrown his way,which has included the Hulk,a Watcher,and Thor.
When has anyone messed with Rulk's internal organs? Where are you getting this from? Supes tried this kind of assault against Doomsday and it didnt work very long against Doomsday.
Again,Rulk hasnt been beaten and Supes barely beat classic Thor.
Originally posted by snyper1982I guess we just disagree. Check out hunter and prey. Supes tried to avoid Doomsday but he was hit rather quickly.
Who has he beat that it isn't clearly a case of CIS or PIS or SvFL?I will freely admit I am a bit of a superman fanboy, but I have no problem admitting when he will lose. Like to the surfer or thanos for instance. I just don't see what the rulk posses in his powerset that is making all these people believe he would wipe the floor with superman.
Like I stated in my first post, at the very worst, superman could make this a stalemate rather easily by just playing keep away. What can the rulk possibly do to hit clark if he is intent on not lettning the rulk hit him?
I will agree to disagree though, as I am not trying to change your mind or make you like superman, I am just trying to get you to look at this from a logical standpoint.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxNever said that.
Wrong.You are right. He would be able to dodge them.
We haven't seen Rulk lose? I GUESS THAT MEANS HE CAN'T! dur
Supes couldnt wreck a Watcher or Thor anywhere close to the manner in which Rulk did. Thats the point. Supes has been beaten up by a lot less than Rulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you serious? Heat vision.Lets see how heat vision fared against the Hulk.
Really,I dont see what you are basing your opinion off of. It seems you ignore the Rulk who beats the piss out of everyone basically thrown his way,which has included the Hulk,a Watcher,and Thor.
When has anyone messed with Rulk's internal organs? Where are you getting this from? Supes tried this kind of assault against Doomsday and it didnt work very long against Doomsday.
Again,Rulk hasnt been beaten and Supes barely beat classic Thor.
Wow! Superman doesn't have to stand around to get caught by a slow poke like Rulk, he can move at great speed, he can also fly with ease.
Superman isn't Gladiator, he's lobotomized, ended fights with HV surgery. Hell he has disintegrated durable guys with his HV. His HV is so precise that when he used it on Manchester Black, the telepath didn't know he'd been lobotomized (this also ties in with his speed, which he used to take out the Elites). He also used his speed to create a vortex of swirling wind to suffocate the Elites in that comic. When he lets loose Rulk won't know what hit him.
Rulk would have no defense, against Superman's speed and the calculated application of his power set. Trinity Superman is Superman written right, we don't always see Superman using his powerset effectively or uitlilize his scientific know-how against his opponents, when he does he takes out bricks like Rulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112...this is ofcouse assuming that gladiators heat vision was as powerful.
Are you serious? Heat vision.Lets see how heat vision fared against the Hulk.
Really,I dont see what you are basing your opinion off of. It seems you ignore the Rulk who beats the piss out of everyone basically thrown his way,which has included the Hulk,a Watcher,and Thor.
When has anyone messed with Rulk's internal organs? Where are you getting this from? Supes tried this kind of assault against Doomsday and it didnt work very long against Doomsday.
Again,Rulk hasnt been beaten and Supes barely beat classic Thor.
Not all heat beams are the same.
Superman has been shown to has enough energy in his heat beams to push a planet (under a red sun)
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Who has Superman killed with heat vision?
...this is ofcouse assuming that gladiators heat vision was as powerful.Not all heat beams are the same.
Superman has been shown to has enough energy in his heat beams to push a planet (under a red sun)
Keep in mind this Hulk was much weaker than WW Hulk or Rulk. This weaker Hulk beat the piss out of Gladiator.
Originally posted by AllanklesThor has many other abilities he can do as well with the hammer. Just saying,he doesnt only hit you in the head with it.
Wow! Superman doesn't have to stand around to get caught by a slow poke like Rulk, he can move at great speed, he can also fly with ease.Superman isn't Gladiator, he's lobotomized, ended fights with HV surgery. Hell he has disintegrated durable guys with his HV. His HV is so precise that when he used it on Manchester Black, the telepath didn't know he'd been lobotomized (this also ties in with his speed, which he used to take out the Elites). He also used his speed to create a vortex of swirling wind to suffocate the Elites in that comic. When he lets loose Rulk won't know what hit him.
Rulk would have no defense, against Superman's speed and the calculated application of his power set. Trinity Superman is Superman written right, we don't always see Superman using his powerset effectively or uitlilize his scientific know-how against his opponents, when he does he takes out bricks like Rulk.
Has Supes beaten anyone with Rulk's impressive list of feats.
It seemed like Superman needed the jla to back him up to beat Konvikt,who just so happens to be a brick.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So,you ignore the beatdown that Thor received?
Which beat down? Maybe if Thor wasn't written like a joke, Rulk's win might have had some credibility. I thought Thor was a fairly skilled warrior?
At least if you're going to have Thor engage Rulk in a straight brawl, show that he has some skills. He was getting hit with everything Rulk threw, he wasn't able to navigate himself in space any better than Rulk. I thought he had flight? Just a poor demonstration of Thor's abilities, even if he was just brawling.
Originally posted by AllanklesSo,Thor is a joke now. No,Rulk is a badass. Just because Thor got maimed,that doesnt mean he is a joke. It means Rulk is a badass.
Which beat down? Maybe if Thor wasn't written like a joke, Rulk's win might have had some credibility. I thought Thor was a fairly skilled warrior?At least if you're going to have Thor engage Rulk in a straight brawl, show that he has some skills. He was getting hit with everything Rulk threw, he wasn't able to navigate himself in space any better than Rulk. I thought he had flight? Just a poor demonstration of Thor's abilities, even if he was just brawling.
Originally posted by quanchi112Has Supes beaten anyone with Rulk's impressive list of feats.
It seemed like Superman needed the jla to back him up to beat Konvikt,who just so happens to be a brick.
Ultraman? Superwoman? They've killed all manner of top tier super humans (basically almost equivalent to the JLA's rogues gallery)and Supes handled them both. Hell they have more fighting experience than Rulk and Superman proved the more skillful.
As far as Konvikt goes, they figured out how to take him. Furthermore Superman started that fight poorly trying to test Konvikt's strength and getting hit clean on the jaw with Konvkit's best punch. It wasn't much of a one on one brawl after that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So,Thor is a joke now. No,Rulk is a badass. Just because Thor got maimed,that doesnt mean he is a joke. It means Rulk is a badass.
Who said he's a joke? I said Loeb wrote him like a joke, no way you're telling me that's the blue print to Thor. Thor can do better than he did, it was a bs fight. If you know what a fight is, you'd know that fight was bs.
Quan and others shouldn't really use Rulk knocking out the Watcher as proof of anything. Whether on panel or not that was just simply bad writing and proof of nothing. not to mention the fact that the Watcher didn't even put up a fight. That was an example of Loeb having Rulk balls in his mouth and nothing more.
Originally posted by Allankles
Wow! Superman doesn't have to stand around to get caught by a slow poke like Rulk, he can move at great speed, he can also fly with ease.Superman isn't Gladiator, he's lobotomized, ended fights with HV surgery. Hell he has disintegrated durable guys with his HV. His HV is so precise that when he used it on Manchester Black, the telepath didn't know he'd been lobotomized (this also ties in with his speed, which he used to take out the Elites). He also used his speed to create a vortex of swirling wind to suffocate the Elites in that comic. When he lets loose Rulk won't know what hit him.
Rulk would have no defense, against Superman's speed and the calculated application of his power set. Trinity Superman is Superman written right, we don't always see Superman using his powerset effectively or uitlilize his scientific know-how against his opponents, when he does he takes out bricks like Rulk.
Where were all of these exotic moves that you seem to be talking about when Superman was getting shyt stomped by Atlas recently? Atlas is just a brick right?
Atlas violated beat big blue as Lois watched in horror. Rulk would do him the same way.
All of this lobotomization that your talking about, where and when did he do this? It seems so out of character for him to be flying around frying peoples brains... do you have any scans of him doing this?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Quan and others shouldn't really use Rulk knocking out the Watcher as proof of anything. Whether on panel or not that was just simply bad writing and proof of nothing. not to mention the fact that the Watcher didn't even put up a fight. That was an example of Loeb having Rulk balls in his mouth and nothing more.
Maybe he couldn't put up a fight, because he was too busy getting tea bagged, and was too hurt to respond to the major ass beating that he was taking. If I got smacked in the head by a bat, I would most likely be too stunned to do anything other than fall out.
Originally posted by AllanklesNone of these characters that you have named hold a candle to Thor. Rulk pounded Thor into submission.
Ultraman? Superwoman? They've killed all manner of top tier super humans (basically almost equivalent to the JLA's rogues gallery)and Supes handled them both. Hell they have more fighting experience than Rulk and Superman proved the more skillful.As far as Konvikt goes, they figured out how to take him. Furthermore Superman started that fight poorly trying to test Konvikt's strength and getting hit clean on the jaw with Konvkit's best punch. It wasn't much of a one on one brawl after that.
What does fighting experience have to do with anything? That sure didnt seem to bother Konvikt. 😂
Supes needed help. With the help,they took him out. Not by himself. And Konvikt was just a brick. 😬
Originally posted by AllanklesIts canon. Your personal feelings on the matter are noted. But,it counts. Rulk beat a more powerful character than Superman like a small child. Rulk beats Supes down.
Who said he's a joke? I said Loeb wrote him like a joke, no way you're telling me that's the blue print to Thor. Thor can do better than he did, it was a bs fight. If you know what a fight is, you'd know that fight was bs.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Its canon. Your personal feelings on the matter are noted. But,it counts. Rulk beat a more powerful character than Superman like a small child. Rulk beats Supes down.
The canon status of the event isn't enough to sway my analysis of the writing. I don't really care what Rulk does until Loeb actually writes a credible battle.
Originally posted by quanchi112No, you didn't say that, but you imply it.
Never said that.Supes couldnt wreck a Watcher or Thor anywhere close to the manner in which Rulk did. Thats the point. Supes has been beaten up by a lot less than Rulk.
You use No-Limits fallacies a bit too much in your argument mate.
You may be right.
But on the other hand Superman wouldn't have trouble with Hulk the way Rulk did either.
Rulk beat down Uatu...Cause Uatu did not fight back. It's not hard to get.
A 90 pound weakling can beat up Mike Tyson is Tyson let him.
Thor brawled with Rulk. In a brawl, Superman WOULD beat Thor.
And Superman has something no one that Rulk fought had.
SPEED.