Originally posted by lord xyz
Then why does Gen 1:3 etc. begin with "and"? Gen 1:2 says darkness was upon the face of the deep, but doesn't mention light, as if 1-2, there's no light, and then 1:3, there's light.
It was dark and the Earth was a formless void so it's not the Earth yet. The actual story begins with God moving across the waters. Everything from then on describes him making things, it begins with light. Before that it just tells you what the story is about.
Originally posted by lord xyzThe water is empty because there is nothing in it. And I suppose it is formless cause it is water....it might also be metaphorical cause there's no light in it. Why are you being so incredibly boneheaded, can't you focus on more intelligent and more mature criticism of Religion?
Okay, how does it have waters and surfaces if it's formless and empty?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
This argument is rendered invalid by pointing out the majority of Christians think that Genesis is a metaphorical and poetic explanation of the origins of man- I'm sure even the creationists understand that what actually happened is not what is word for word said in the first part of Genesis.
No that's the problem, they do think that it's what really happened. Many (I'd say most but I'm not sure) Christians understand that it's metaphorical on one level or another.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Would people please stop calling me angry? It's getting quite annoying.
Its quite possibly that he's not angry...maybe he is just exploring his thoughts and beliefs as he gets older...he might become a Christian soon.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No that's the problem, they do think that it's what really happened. Many (I'd say most but I'm not sure) Christians understand that it's metaphorical on one level or another.
That sort of fundamentalism is almost non-existant in this part of the world...then again I did know a boy who claimed the Earth was only 6000 years old...
Originally posted by Bardock42But the Earth is what's empty, an empty earth can't have water...it's empty, unless the water is clinging on to the surface.
The water is empty because there is nothing in it. And I suppose it is formless cause it is water....it might also be metaphorical cause there's no light in it. Why are you being so incredibly boneheaded, can't you focus on more intelligent and more mature criticism of Religion?
Water has a form.
I could, but I didn't want to.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavI could be christian, but it's quite unlikely. Then again, I considered being Muslim at one point.
Its quite possibly that he's not angry...maybe he is just exploring his thoughts and beliefs as he gets older...he might become a Christian soon.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Would people please stop calling me angry? It's getting quite annoying.Anyway, another contradiction:
Gen 1:2
How can the earth have waters and surface when it's void?
Gen 1.2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep water. The Spirit of God was hovering over the water.
whats wrong with that?
Thats just one version mind, if you use the online bible browser you can compare versions, languages and all that at a mouse click.
http://www.biblebrowser.com/genesis/1-2.htm
don´t get wound up too easy, religion and politics bring out all sorts of negative emotions in various people, don´t join them.
Originally posted by BicnarokWell, the deep water being on/in a formless empty earth for a start.
Gen 1.2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep water. The Spirit of God was hovering over the water.whats wrong with that?
Thats just one version mind, if you use the online bible browser you can compare versions, languages and all that at a mouse click.
http://www.biblebrowser.com/genesis/1-2.htm
don´t get wound up too easy, religion and politics bring out all sorts of negative emotions in various people, don´t join them.