yes but there is a problem with time powers like that, they can be used to destroy practically ANY1 in the universe, heck even the universe itself, but its doesnt allude to actual battle prowess of a character. also, if he went to kill dante as a baby, hed probably have to face sparda.
and yes, each locatin in kingdom hearts is a world in itself, and at worst, both xemnas and xeonheart's heartless were universal threats.
Originally posted by leonheartmmIt is within Kratos' natural powerset, he is essentially the God of Time now. Was Sparda around when Dante was a baby? As in did he help raise him? Lol no. Each location in KH is a planet. And no one has any feat in KH that says they could destroy the universe, so no, you are wrong.
yes but there is a problem with time powers like that, they can be used to destroy practically ANY1 in the universe, heck even the universe itself, but its doesnt allude to actual battle prowess of a character. also, if he went to kill dante as a baby, hed probably have to face sparda.
and yes, each locatin in kingdom hearts is a world in itself, and at worst, both xemnas and xeonheart's heartless were universal threats.
wrong, the WORLDS are seperated by dimensional barriers, and appear as STARS in the night sky. also, they just look like planets for comical/disneyish affect. do you honestly beleive that kingdom hearts cud fit in a PLANET???? and either way, kingdom hearts is the heart of ALL worlds{implying a whole universe at WORST} hence making them universal threats.
Originally posted by leonheartmmBut neither of them had the full power of KH.
wrong, the WORLDS are seperated by dimensional barriers, and appear as STARS in the night sky. also, they just look like planets for comical/disneyish affect. do you honestly beleive that kingdom hearts cud fit in a PLANET???? and either way, kingdom hearts is the heart of ALL worlds{implying a whole universe at WORST} hence making them universal threats.
Xemnas only had a splintered fraction.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
It is within Kratos' natural powerset, he is essentially the God of Time now. Was Sparda around when Dante was a baby? As in did he help raise him? Lol no. Each location in KH is a planet. And no one has any feat in KH that says they could destroy the universe, so no, you are wrong.
Eva died when Dante\Vergil were 8 years old. Sparda has died or disappeared a few years before that...his parents actually lived together before that.
So here's actually the case when leon's right at least partially... though DMC chronology is one f*cked up thing. And controlling strings of time or WTF was it called for Kratos makes it spite. Dante's time manipulation is limited only to chronofreeze, not temporal reality manip aka reversing the chronophase of your opponent to turn him into baby etc.
Dark-Jaxx, and despite technically Dante doesn't move at lightning speeds (aka 1\2 of the light speed), his Alastor speedboost actually gives him around Max10 combat speed...plus the abilities of combat teleportation. So in pure combat speed he's faster that Kratos and can resist time freeze from him (in fact I think that if Kratos and Dante both use timestop on each other, it would negate each other but they'll temporary freeze their teammates). And Dante is better swordsman than brute Kratos- more fast and agile, though Kratos is A LOT STRONGER than Dante.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel...Oh. Lol. Mesa did not know that. But regardless, isn't Dante himself actually stronger than Sparda was?
Eva died when Dante\Vergil were 8 years old. Sparda has died or disappeared a few years before that...his parents actually lived together before that.
So here's actually the case when leon's right at least partially... though DMC chronology is one f*cked up thing. And controlling strings of time or WTF was it called for Kratos makes it spite. Dante's time manipulation is limited only to chronofreeze, not temporal reality manip aka reversing the chronophase of your opponent to turn him into baby etc.Dark-Jaxx, and despite technically Dante doesn't move at lightning speeds (aka 1\2 of the light speed), his Alastor speedboost actually gives him around Max10 combat speed...plus the abilities of combat teleportation. So in pure combat speed he's faster that Kratos and can resist time freeze from him (in fact I think that if Kratos and Dante both use timestop on each other, it would negate each other but they'll temporary freeze their teammates). And Dante is better swordsman than brute Kratos- more fast and agile, though Kratos is A LOT STRONGER than Dante.
2. ...Leon is right? 😐 This is a concept I struggle with. mmm
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Kratos actually does not need the strings, such as when he teleported all the Titans(you know, that little army of 1,000 foot tall people) to the present to fight Zeus. Which means that Kratos also has a way to BFR Dante as well. mmm
3. In terms of pure combat speed and even movement speed I agree, but Kratos has shown the reflexes to block or dodge lightning speed attacks, I do not think Dante could resist Kratos' time powers simply because they are on a much greater scale than Dante's IMO. Dante due to his speed is a faster swordsman, but more skilled I would not say so. He is a "natural", and also had the help of superhuman attributes to aid him, whereas most of Kratos' life he was little different than a normal human.
And yeah, Kratos is stronger than Dante...I really cannot see what is so hard to see about that. 😂
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...Oh. Lol. Mesa did not know that. But regardless, isn't Dante himself actually stronger than Sparda was?2. ...Leon is right? 😐 This is a concept I struggle with. mmm
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Kratos actually does not need the strings, such as when he teleported all the Titans(you know, that little army of 1,000 foot tall people) to the present to fight Zeus. Which means that Kratos also has a way to BFR Dante as well. mmm
3. In terms of pure combat speed and even movement speed I agree, but Kratos has shown the reflexes to block or dodge lightning speed attacks, I do not think Dante could resist Kratos' time powers simply because they are on a much greater scale than Dante's IMO. Dante due to his speed is a faster swordsman, but more skilled I would not say so. He is a "natural", and also had the help of superhuman attributes to aid him, whereas most of Kratos' life he was little different than a normal human.
And yeah, Kratos is stronger than Dante...I really cannot see what is so hard to see about that. 😂
I was struggling as well.
Dante at full power has surpassed his dad, but his father was the best and strongest warlord ever in the armies of Hell, and was good enough to banish those armies singlehandely when he rebelled to protect the mankind. So he's no shit as well and actually more brutal fighter than his son- Dante is a little more tame due to his human nature.
As for dodging lightning attack- Dante has dodged magic lightning from Gryphon, and said Blitzes, has combat teleportation that is useful in terms of dodging as well. As you've said, Dante's "natural" but he likes to improvise in a fight and his improvistaion skills is what makes him that good of a fighter.
I think more of the timepowers negating each other when they overlap- and Dante's Quicksilver anomaly is omnidirectional but limited aproximately to 200 metres around him. The anomalies would partially cross each other over.
But Kratos time manipulation much more versatile than Dante, and if Kratos goes for something else that simple timestop (partially negated with similiar power), Kratos easily wins. Dante's time manipulation is limited and not on the level of the god of time (though in DMC2 Dante was using amulet with "heart of god of time" for more control over that power, such as freezing enemies in time selectively instead of creating omnidirectional anomaly, his power in that regard never went beyond slowing\stoping time).
Kratos is a beast but if team 2 wins- that's only because of Kratos and his god of time abilities to screw with team one, as Link and Cloud are relatively weak. Team 1 is more balanced in terms of power.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/907849/killer_bean_forever_official_trailer/
You can express your hate towards Dante by laughing on that parody, Dark-Jaxx.
Jaxx seriously where do you get off saying Sora isn't a skilled swordsman? Everything he does in kingdom hearts says he is. In fact he has more impressive sword displays than those who are known for being swordsmen like Link. Sometimes I think the only way for you to interpret things Jaxx is if someone draws a map for you or somebody says it out right in game or on panel. Otherwise you seem to have no interpretation skills.
Lol I love how you explode when you know your wrong. So your taking the fact that he upgrades throughout the game as that he has no skill of his own? Then that makes just about everybody on this list powerless. Also I was unaware that you controlled where people go on the forums. I seriously think you believe you control the forums. I also like how you flip-flop. All of a sudden now having power bestowed upon you, enhancing your abilities makes you bad?
Originally posted by razor4lifeBT, without the Keyblade, Sora is about as useful as an un-potty trained labradoodle in a fight.
Lol I love how you explode when you know your wrong. So your taking the fact that he upgrades throughout the game as that he has no skill of his own? Then that makes just about everybody on this list powerless. Also I was unaware that you controlled where people go on the forums. I seriously think you believe you control the forums. I also like how you flip-flop. All of a sudden now having power bestowed upon you, enhancing your abilities makes you bad?
The upgrades? You mean the several flashy explosions and supernatural melee attacks he gets, that rely upon the power of the Keyblade?
Sora essentially wields the Keyblade as if it is a friggin baseball bat.
Again I repeat. Your saying having powers bestowed upon you that enhance you means your useless? Who cares if those are his natural abilities or keyblade bestowed. They are still his abilities. He can just time stop or make himself invulnerable. Also having supernatural sword skills is useless too? Seriously dude please keep showing that you just don't like the character.