I'm at work so I don't have complete access to the internet. I'll get back to you on the invulnerability one(can't remember if it's a spell or an item). The time stop is a spell. He can also reflect magic enhance his speed, heal himself, create a magnetic field, etc. There's much more that he can do but I'm not at home so I can't check my KH2 save or check online.
Originally posted by razor4lifeI said he didn't have any real swordskill. Which is true. If it weren't for the Keyblade's power, he might as well be wielding a baseball bat.
Again I repeat. Your saying having powers bestowed upon you that enhance you means your useless? Who cares if those are his natural abilities or keyblade bestowed. They are still his abilities. He can just time stop or make himself invulnerable. Also having supernatural sword skills is useless too? Seriously dude please keep showing that you just don't like the character.
The keyblade is very much a part of him now. His sword skilsl without it are moot. Even when sepereated from the blade it will return to him. All the keyblade does is enhance his abilties, the blade isn't controlling him you know. Without the keyblade though he is just a regular kid. It's kinda like Billy/Captain Marvel(kinda).
I'm not missing your point at all. Just because he has an unconventional way of holding his blade and fighting with it doesn't make him any less of a swordsman than the guys that use it in a conventional manner. The cut scenes and game play show that he is very good at using the key blade. Lets not forget the parrying feat he has that is very impressive. Many young sword wielding video game characters start out as clumsy and unskilled. I think it's safe to say in KH2 he is a skilled blade user. Sure his form is wacky but skilled none the less. Even his raw skill is debatable.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Dante is not as fast as lightning and Kratos fought and deflected that just fine.Kratos kills their baby selves ftw.
Link can one hit all but Sora with Light Arrows.
Cloud can take Sora pretty handily.
In fact, why is Sora considered one of the best swordsman?
He has like...No skill with a sword. 😐
He almost entirely relys on the power of the Keyblade to help him.
Saying Sora is an amatuer swordsman is stupid for the following reasons.
Number one, Roxas derived all of his techniques from Sora (Roxas is his half), and if you watch the Deep Dive trailer and then say Roxas has no sword skills, I would recommend that you get help, fast.
But if you're still not convinced, watch the cutscene where Sora and Roxas fight on the light circle (in the dark abyss). Not only does Sora know how to attack he knows how to dodge and defend, and he has as much airborne fighting ability as Cloud does (note I said airborne ability, I am not saying he's equal, worse, or better).
But there's a lot of other events showing Sora's "amatuer" skills as someone likes to call it. 😆
Had Sora been an amatuer he would have been pwned on the third world. However he made it through 20 something worlds, and know, it is not the keyblade giving him the skills. However, in his Final Form, he can use the KeybladeS to attack for themselves as he has that ability in this particular form.
As for the entire match, Team one for me. Sephiroth versus Kratos, from what I've seen Seph. Dante and Cloud, lol. Sora and Link..the problem here is I don't see Sora giving Link time to pull off any fancy crap. He can shorten the distance between them near instantly. Then again, I don't see how any of the people from team one can't.
Sora has Stopga.
Dante has Quicksilver.
Sephiroth has Slowga (or whatever the time spell is in FF7).
Not saying no one from Team 1 doesn't have this, but I doubt it will prevail this time.
Who knows, I may change my vote later on if I'm convinced.
Edit: After reading some posts I have to ask a question.
First of all, why are we assuming this is Kratos at the end of GoW (or when he's a god)? And secondly regarding his time warping ability, I would like to know how fast he can pull this off. Dante can (my guess) do it about instantly. Sephiroth, no idea, but I know for a fact Stopga in Kingdom Hearts takes about 1/4 of a second to do.
In simper terms, whichever team can freeze the other team wins, as they can both pretty much kill each other. "Immortality" does not justify a win. You can be immortal and be killed, which is not the same as dying permanently. Take Zasalamel (Soul Calibur) for example and you'll get the point.
I meant not saying no one from Team 2 doesn't have time abilities. 😛
Finally if someone feels like posting some vids of Link doing stuff that would be great, never got into the Zelda series.
Edit: Btw, this is the last thing I'm going to point out regarding Sora's amatuer skills.
Originally posted by razor4life
I'm not missing your point at all. Just because he has an unconventional way of holding his blade and fighting with it doesn't make him any less of a swordsman than the guys that use it in a conventional manner. The cut scenes and game play show that he is very good at using the key blade. Lets not forget the parrying feat he has that is very impressive. Many young sword wielding video game characters start out as clumsy and unskilled. I think it's safe to say in KH2 he is a skilled blade user. Sure his form is wacky but skilled none the less. Even his raw skill is debatable.
I'll probably be back with lots of videos. Lots.
Originally posted by razor4lifeDamn, I forgot all about this post.
I'm not missing your point at all. Just because he has an unconventional way of holding his blade and fighting with it doesn't make him any less of a swordsman than the guys that use it in a conventional manner. The cut scenes and game play show that he is very good at using the key blade. Lets not forget the parrying feat he has that is very impressive. Many young sword wielding video game characters start out as clumsy and unskilled. I think it's safe to say in KH2 he is a skilled blade user. Sure his form is wacky but skilled none the less. Even his raw skill is debatable.
No, not an unconventional way...He LITERALLY wields it like a baseball bat, he has about as much skill as a thug with a baseball bat would have, if the thug had a degree of superhuman agility.
Very good at using the Keyblade, without it, he can't even hurt a Shadow. But we however know that many other weapons can hurt Heartless, even fists. That says something about Sora.
...Parrying feaqt? What would that be?
His "skill" consists of overpowering opponents with an overpowered weapon, and using his admittedly impressive acrobatic skill and speed. In terms of skill, he is nothing on anyone here.
Originally posted by 4RX1. Roxas is a better swordsman than Sora. How do we know this? In a straight up swordfight, Roxas beat Sora. And it is not like Roxas is some uberzor godzor swordsman either.
Saying Sora is an amatuer swordsman is stupid for the following reasons.Number one, Roxas derived all of his techniques from Sora (Roxas is his half), and if you watch the Deep Dive trailer and then say Roxas has no sword skills, I would recommend that you get help, fast.
But if you're still not convinced, watch the cutscene where Sora and Roxas fight on the light circle (in the dark abyss). Not only does Sora know how to attack he knows how to dodge and defend, and he has as much airborne fighting ability as Cloud does (note I said airborne ability, I am not saying he's equal, worse, or better).
But there's a lot of other events showing Sora's "amatuer" skills as someone likes to call it. 😆
Had Sora been an amatuer he would have been pwned on the third world. However he made it through 20 something worlds, and know, it is not the keyblade giving him the skills. However, in his Final Form, he can use the Keyblade[b]S
to attack for themselves as he has that ability in this particular form.As for the entire match, Team one for me. Sephiroth versus Kratos, from what I've seen Seph. Dante and Cloud, lol. Sora and Link..the problem here is I don't see Sora giving Link time to pull off any fancy crap. He can shorten the distance between them near instantly. Then again, I don't see how any of the people from team one can't.
Sora has Stopga.
Dante has Quicksilver.
Sephiroth has Slowga (or whatever the time spell is in FF7).
Not saying no one from Team 1 doesn't have this, but I doubt it will prevail this time.
Who knows, I may change my vote later on if I'm convinced.
Edit: After reading some posts I have to ask a question.
First of all, why are we assuming this is Kratos at the end of GoW (or when he's a god)? And secondly regarding his time warping ability, I would like to know how fast he can pull this off. Dante can (my guess) do it about instantly. Sephiroth, no idea, but I know for a fact Stopga in Kingdom Hearts takes about 1/4 of a second to do.
In simper terms, whichever team can freeze the other team wins, as they can both pretty much kill each other. "Immortality" does not justify a win. You can be immortal and be killed, which is not the same as dying permanently. Take Zasalamel (Soul Calibur) for example and you'll get the point. [/B]
2. He knows how to, as I said before, swing his Keyblade like a baseball bat, and his superhuman speed and agility allow him to dodge and block Roxa's blows. And Sora is in no shape or form as skilled a swordsman as Cloud.
3. Sora wields a Keyblade, which is the most powerful weapon in existence rivaled by few other weapons that aren't Keyblades, only forces of the universe like Darkness and Nothingness can rival it. The Keyblade gives him alot of power, it amps magical abilities as well. Final Form is telekinesis, not sword skill.
4. Sephiroth can't beat Kratos. Cloud would lose to Dante, yeah, but Kratos can pretty much solo the field. Sora isn't that fast in CUTSCENES, and certainly is not as fast as a Light Arrow.
Stopga? Well with Materia so does Cloud, and Kratos has literally become the God of Time as of God of War 2.
Once again, God of Time ftw.
Not unless he gets materia.
Kratos can literally travel through time, he controls it.
We assume it is Kratos at the end of God of War 2 because that is the most recent version of Kratos. And Kratos can do it pretty much with a thought. If he wanted to, he could dump the entire opponent's team at the beginning or end of time. Resulting in a BFR.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
You don't get it. Kratos literally TRAVELS through time at will now. He is literally the God of Time, having stolen the power of the Sisters of Fate. He can travel to when he was in his mother's womb and kill her.
Who said that? Noone said it will take place in the Loom Chamber and he can't just "alter" his future. He can only travel WHILE using the mirror. And how is he going to just 'find her'? Kratos is limited, Dante is not. Dante uses QS and puts Kratos back into his original place. And yes, Dante bends time and space as well.
This is SPITE.
Cloud mopes until he's angry to Omnislash, Kratos rips Sora's arms off and boots him cause he gets off on that shit, then Link and Kratos tank/murder Dante and Seph, if Kratos gets a hold on either of them, Link light arrows them, and when Cloud is doen moping he omnislashes the other and Link light arrows them too.
my impression was this is a battle with swords? no bull shit powers or other weapons.
In which, team 2 is far superior.
edit: and most of you morons who think Link is inferior to most of these are asinine and uneducated. And TGE, just because Kratos shows himself going back and affecting moments of time in his past, doesn't translate him to be able to manipulate and go to any point in time. Mostl likely he is like Dr. manhattan, and can only go forward or back between moments where he existed and lived.
kratos doesn't have power of time absolute. but in this fight it'd still help him out regardless, since these people would be involved and affected by him going back in time or forward.